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by R.J. Furuli
Sat May 25, 2019 5:57 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Piel and Pual verbal structures
Replies: 10
Views: 87

Re: Piel and Pual verbal structures

Isaac Fried wrote: Thanks. Great examples. I love good examples. But I still have some questions. In the statement from Genesis 47:29 וַיִּקְרְבוּ יְמֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל לָמוּת וַיִּקְרָא לִבְנוֹ לְיוֹסֵף KJV: "And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph" NIV: "...
by R.J. Furuli
Fri May 24, 2019 9:41 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The fallacy of "prophetic perfect"
Replies: 22
Views: 230

Re: The fallacy of "prophetic perfect"

Karl W Randolph wrote: You are the only one I’ve met (we’ve met on line, though not in person) who calls “aspect” = “event time”. Further, no one else I’ve met or read about talks about making part of event time visible while the whole may remain invisible. No one else that I know of talks about obj...
by R.J. Furuli
Fri May 24, 2019 1:37 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Piel and Pual verbal structures
Replies: 10
Views: 87

Re: Piel and Pual verbal structures

Isaac Fried wrote: R.J. Furuli wrote In Hebrew there are a great number of examples showing that wayyiqtol represents the imperfective aspect: conative, ingressive, progressive, egressive, and resultative events are expressed by wayyiqtol. In my doctoral dissertation there are more than 200 examples...
by R.J. Furuli
Fri May 24, 2019 12:51 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Piel and Pual verbal structures
Replies: 10
Views: 87

Re: Piel and Pual verbal structures

Isaac Fried wrote: I agree, but only to a limited extent. What we call now binyanim for verbs and mishqalim for nouns, are, in my opinion, no more than roots with personal pronouns variously distributed and interspersed among the radical letters. .... The often heard claim that שבר is 'broke', but ש...
by R.J. Furuli
Thu May 23, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The way-prefix and phonological rules
Replies: 0
Views: 14

The way-prefix and phonological rules

Dear list-members, In connection with the history of the four conjugations I have some additional thoughts. Let us assume that I am correct when I say that the cantors in the synagogue when they retracted the stress when they recitated narrative texts. How would the phonological laws apply? I use bo...
by R.J. Furuli
Thu May 23, 2019 2:26 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The history of the four conjugations
Replies: 7
Views: 93

Re: The history of the four conjugations

John McKinnon wrote: I've read this thread with interest and on occasion uncertainty. I'm left with a perhaps simplistic response, wondering whether everything simply depends on how one defines "conjugation". For example the grammar by van der Merwe et al. (2nd ed.) attempts to reflect rec...
by R.J. Furuli
Thu May 23, 2019 1:37 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Piel and Pual verbal structures
Replies: 10
Views: 87

Re: Piel and Pual verbal structures

Isaac Fried wrote: Karl W. Randolph says I suspect that the Piel and Pual binyanim refer to repeated and/or continuing action I doubt it and I will keep doubting it until I see a convincing example to the contrary. One needs to be careful about embellishing the biblical text with extraneous readings...
by R.J. Furuli
Wed May 22, 2019 6:48 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The fallacy of "prophetic perfect"
Replies: 22
Views: 230

Re: The fallacy of "prophetic perfect"

Dear Karl, You have made several good observations in your last post. One important observation of yours is that in narrative texts the past reference can be based on the context, and need not be an intrinsic part of the verb forms. When it comes to aspect, you need to do some more reading. Aspect i...
by R.J. Furuli
Wed May 22, 2019 3:10 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The history of the four conjugations
Replies: 7
Views: 93

Re: The history of the four conjugations

Kenneth Greifer wrote: You said that some other ancient languages have two conjugations also. I would just like to clarify something. Do you mean in your opinion only or is that the opinion of mainstream scholars too? I am not saying you are a fringe scholar, I am just asking if your opinion is comm...
by R.J. Furuli
Tue May 21, 2019 11:31 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The fallacy of "prophetic perfect"
Replies: 22
Views: 230

Re: The fallacy of "prophetic perfect"

Kirk Lowery wrote: Now, setting aside my moderator's hat, I'll enter the discussion this far: it seems that the phenomenon known as the "prophetic perfect" is problematic because it does not have a unique morphological form distinct from the rest of the qatal forms, unlike, say, the yiqtol...

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