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by R.J. Furuli
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:11 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: When was the book of Daniel written?
Replies: 67
Views: 792

Re: When was the book of Daniel written?

Dear Karl, Karl wrote: When did the 70 year Babylonian Exile start? My understanding from passages like 2 Chronicles 36:20–21 that it started the year the first temple was burned. That sort of fits in with the subject of this thread, of when the book of Daniel was written. I personally think that Da...
by R.J. Furuli
Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:16 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Re: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

Dear Steve, I have the following comments to your post. R.J. Furuli wrote: In narratives where wayyiqtols are used, one event follows the other in consecution. But because the waw is a conjunction, there are many instances where there is no consecution: 1 Samuel 1:17: "Eli answered (וַיַּ֧עַן) ...
by R.J. Furuli
Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:20 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Re: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

SteveMiller wrote: Dan 9:27 starts with a waw-consecutive. Is it correct to say that the action in v27 takes place after the action in the previous verse?: 9:27 ... ‎ וְהִגְבִּ֥יר בְּרִ֛ית לָרַבִּ֖ים שָׁב֣וּעַ אֶחָ֑ד And he shall cause a covenant to prevail for 1 week ... In narratives where wayyiqt...
by R.J. Furuli
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:38 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Re: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

Dear Karl, I resepct you as a person, and I respect your viewpoints. But when you call the definitions of aspect by Fanning and Smith as weird, and that they have "no relation to standard linguistic practice," i find it right to end my contributions to this discussion. Thank you for expres...
by R.J. Furuli
Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:05 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Re: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

K.W. Randolph wrote: Again, let’s reference http://www.glossary.sil.org/term/aspect where we find the definition “Aspect is a grammatical category associated with verbs that expresses a temporal view of the event or state expressed by the verb.” (emphasis mine) that is an objective measure. “I worke...
by R.J. Furuli
Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:51 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: When was the book of Daniel written?
Replies: 67
Views: 792

Re: When was the book of Daniel written?

K.W. Randolph wrote: If we accept that Nehemiah was ordered to rebuild Jerusalem about 415 BC ± a few years, then Jesus’ death is within the margin of error for 62 sevens of years + later. Then there’s no problem in recognizing that the ending of the 70 sevens of years concluded with the Romans taki...
by R.J. Furuli
Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:46 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Re: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

K.W. Randolph wrote Indicative is a modality. Both Qatal and Yiqtol are used for the indicative modality, but there’s a difference in how they express the indicative modality. When we discuss language, each participant should define his use of terms, so we know what we are speaking about. Oxford Dic...
by R.J. Furuli
Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:18 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Re: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

Karl Randlph wrote: While I agree with much of what you say, your non-standard use of terminology makes it much harder 1) to understand what you are saying and 2) much harder to interact and discuss these ideas with you. I am not using sub-standard terminolgy; all the terms I use will be readily und...
by R.J. Furuli
Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:18 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?
Replies: 17
Views: 269

Is waw Consecutive (wayyiqtol) perfective or imperfective?

Dear listmembers Karl Randolph wrote: I agree with Jason here, that the same rules of grammar apply. There are plenty of examples in Tanakh of a “waw-consecutive” referring to a concurrent action. The most famous that I can think of right away are found in Proverbs 31:11–31. Steve Miller wrote as a ...
by R.J. Furuli
Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:41 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: When was the book of Daniel written?
Replies: 67
Views: 792

Re: When was the book of Daniel written?

Dear Steve, At this point I will try to translate v25: And know and understand: From the going forth of the word to bring back and to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah Prince (or annointed prince) shall be 7 weeks and 62 weeks. She shall return and be built, the street and moat, and in troublous times...

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