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by kwrandolph
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:14 am
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

Yes, it is dynamic. In this case a stative version of this would be in my mind, War has erupted. “War has erupted” is a type of imperfective aspect of a dynamic action. How is that stative? This would describe a state. i.e. We are now at war. Previously I wrote that the only stative verb that I rec...
by kwrandolph
Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:17 pm
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

I got to thinking about this one Karl. A stative use of burn would be more like. The sun shines, a candle burns. By the way do Americans not say burnt anymore. I've always said, he burnt the house down ; the house burnt down . Anyway, I still maintain that The house burned down is neither active no...
by kwrandolph
Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:20 am
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

Karl: Yes, 'stative' does indeed indicate a 'stasis', in that in the case of a verb, there is no more acting going on with how the verb is used. Compare these two: a) I have two sisters b) We're having a party Both use the verb 'to have'; a) is most definitely stative (there's no more 'having' goin...
by kwrandolph
Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:10 am
Forum: Resources
Topic: Biblical Hebrew Immersion
Replies: 10
Views: 1710

Re: Biblical Hebrew Immersion

Some people (like myself) learned to read Biblical Hebrew as adults after having memorized some Hebrew prayers as kids or teenagers. ברוך אתה ה' אלוהינו, מלך העולם, המוציא לחם מן הארץ You quote that prayer, and not only do I recognize it, but the tune to which it is sung popped into my head. The pr...
by kwrandolph
Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:27 am
Forum: Resources
Topic: Biblical Hebrew Immersion
Replies: 10
Views: 1710

Re: Biblical Hebrew Immersion

Some people (like myself) learned to read Biblical Hebrew as adults after having memorized some Hebrew prayers as kids or teenagers. ברוך אתה ה' אלוהינו, מלך העולם, המוציא לחם מן הארץ You quote that prayer, and not only do I recognize it, but the tune to which it is sung popped into my head. The pr...
by kwrandolph
Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:43 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Imperfect and Participle for Present Tense
Replies: 7
Views: 277

Re: Imperfect and Participle for Present Tense

Hence my conclusion that Biblical Hebrew conjugates not for any time measurement, but for mood. Can you give examples of this how you think the conjugations work for mood? Ralph: One of the more famous passages is Proverbs 31:11–31—there we have both Qatals and Yiqtols being used for present contin...
by kwrandolph
Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:05 pm
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

Jonathan: “Stative” as I understand it, refers to a type of stasis, the opposite of dynamic. Then I look at your example of “grow”, both examples are of change, dynamism, the opposite of stasis. (I looked up the definition of “stative” in a dictionary, and it specifically mentioned “grow” as an exam...
by kwrandolph
Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:03 am
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

John McKinnon: Ralph, I did a search on Academia.edu for articles on Hebrews statives. The search produced three results. For me the most relevant was what appears to be a grad paper: https://www.academia.edu/25801396/The_State_Of_The_Stative_Qatal_A_Study_Of_Form_And_Function_In_Biblical_Hebrew . O...
by kwrandolph
Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:03 am
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

Karl, you wrote: Other than the verb “to be”, does any language have stative verbs? I'll start here, because this seems to be the root of your misunderstanding, although I suspect you have an agenda, which is you just don't want to entertain the notion of stative verbs in BH. Here are a just a few ...
by kwrandolph
Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:11 am
Forum: Beginners' Forum
Topic: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler
Replies: 28
Views: 495

Re: Identifying stative verbs - maybe a difference between Basics of biblical hebrew/BBH and Groves Wheeler

Are there any books that take a systematic look at biblical hebrew, basing themselves on just letters, and not masoretic markings? We can put this question a different way—is there anyone in the past 1400 years, who has read Tanakh through, cover to cover, without using the Masoretic points? Those ...

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