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by S_Walch
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Genesis 18:3 "from upon"
Replies: 4
Views: 91

Re: Genesis 18:3 "from upon"

Hi Kenneth - I'm guessing you're referring to the preposition על in these two verses? Gen 18:3: וַיֹּאמַ֑ר אֲדֹנָ֗י אִם־נָ֨א מָצָ֤אתִי חֵן֙ בְּעֵינֶ֔יךָ אַל־נָ֥א תַעֲבֹ֖ר מֵעַ֥ל עַבְדֶּֽךָ Exod 18:13: וַיְהִי֙ מִֽמָּחֳרָ֔ת וַיֵּ֥שֶׁב מֹשֶׁ֖ה לִשְׁפֹּ֣ט אֶת־הָעָ֑ם וַיַּעֲמֹ֤ד הָעָם֙ עַל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה מִן־ה...
by S_Walch
Tue May 22, 2018 6:16 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

To clarify, it was a comment as to whether ובכל was rightly given the vowel points וּבְכָל by the Masoretes, or whether they got them wrong. Now for וּבְ , I think they're more showing the Tiberian dialect, but I have no evidence (yet) to give on such. For כל however, it most definitely should be po...
by S_Walch
Mon May 21, 2018 7:46 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

Karl, I was thinking that you wanted cases where את means "with" and not where it is the direct object marker. If the DSS spells one different than the other, that would help to determine whether the את should mean "with" or be the direct object marker. No, my question is, how m...
by S_Walch
Mon May 21, 2018 7:11 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

Thanks very much, Ste. It looks like the plene spellings are mainly by manuscript. Certainly. If we look at the dates for the manuscripts with/probably with ובכול , 2QExodb is around 30-68 CE; 4QSama is around 100-50 BCE; and 1QIsaa is around 250-100 BCE. So even though it does seem the plene spell...
by S_Walch
Sun May 20, 2018 8:32 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

Okay, finally had time to get this done. So here we go (just regarding ובכל ): Places where the DSS is not extant at all Ge 7:21; 8:17; 9:2, 10; 41:54; Ex 35:31; Le 18:23; 20:25; 25:24; Nu 21:25; Dt 4:29; 6:22; 16:15; 26:16; 30:2; Jos 9:1; 12:5; 22:5; 23:14; 24:17; Jdg 7:22; 11:26; 14:3;1 Sa 14:15; ...
by S_Walch
Sat May 19, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

Sure thing, Karl! May take me a bit longer for that, as את is used quite a bit more than ובכול :)
by S_Walch
Sat May 19, 2018 7:03 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

That's certainly very interesting about normal, every-day Hebrew now in Israel. Would that indicate a development in the language, or were the Masoretes showing a Tiberian-style Hebrew pronunciation of the letter before words beginning with bet, pey, mem or vav? I don't have time right now, but I'll...
by S_Walch
Fri May 18, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

That assumes that the Masoretic vowel-pointing is correct in such cases. They have the kamats under כ in כָל for instance in that verse, indicating the vowel a , but the DSS show that כל was more pronounced kol , hence the DSS showing the plene as כול in numerous cases. Unfortunately, the only DSS w...
by S_Walch
Fri May 18, 2018 2:08 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The letter vav
Replies: 24
Views: 654

Re: The letter vav

When it means 'and', it's certainly a consonant (Ve/We). The waw/vav is, like other Hebrew letters (yod, aleph, ayin, hey), a mix of a consonant and a vowel; hence why vav/waw can be used as the consonant v/w, or the vowels 'o' or 'u'. When they say that Biblical Hebrew was written 'without vowels',...
by S_Walch
Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:53 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Unicode / XML Westminster Leningrad Codex - Server attacks
Replies: 2
Views: 142

Re: Unicode / XML Westminster Leningrad Codex - Server attacks

Hi Chris,

What on earth would someone have to gain from attacking the online WLC?

Seems somewhat pointless :/

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