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by kwrandolph
Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:08 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

… Ruth Mathys wrote: a speaker can get all kinds of interesting pragmatic effects by using the aspect that isn't 'normal' for a given verb. E.g. the Coca Cola slogan "I'm loving it" which goes against the usual rule that experiencer verbs like love can't take the progressive form. Who say...
by kwrandolph
Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:19 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

Dear Ruth: I am with Rolf here on the concept of aspect. IMHO at the very heart is its subjectivity . At least in my native tongue, What is your native tongue? Mine is American English, as used in the Midwest U.S. What’s yours? a speaker can get all kinds of interesting pragmatic effects by using th...
by kwrandolph
Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

Dear Karl, You have not fully grasped what scholars say about aspect. That is true. My knowledge of “aspect” dates from decades ago, from works written in the 1960s and earlier. At that time, “aspect” was an objective measurement of time, and that only. As a non-professional linguist, I haven’t fol...
by kwrandolph
Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:59 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: וְעַל כְּנַף שִׁקּוּצִים in Daniel 9:27c
Replies: 10
Views: 2095

Re: וְעַל כְּנַף שִׁקּוּצִים in Daniel 9:27c

Leonard: Quote Therefore, to insist that it mean “bird wing” doesn’t fit its uses in Tanakh. Unquote LJ: Please read my post again. For the life of me I can't understand how such a short and simple post as mine could have been so grossly misunderstood. Nowhere did I "insist" that כְּנַף in...
by kwrandolph
Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:44 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: וְעַל כְּנַף שִׁקּוּצִים in Daniel 9:27c
Replies: 10
Views: 2095

Re: וְעַל כְּנַף שִׁקּוּצִים in Daniel 9:27c

Leonard: As readers of my posts on the above topic on the old forum will know, I have advocated understanding שִׁקּוּצִים in Daniel 9:27c as idolatrous objects of worship This part of the verse there’s no disagreement. and כְּנַף as a part of such objects situated on its edge and called its "wi...
by kwrandolph
Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:19 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

Dear Rolf: Dear Karl, Because you view aspect as an objective property and I view it as a subjective one, from a linguistic viewpoint, we speak two different languages. So, we cannot have a meaningful discussion of aspect, because a meaningful discussion requires an agreement regarding the basics. E...
by kwrandolph
Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:44 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

Dear Rolf: Dear Ken, There are different views as to what aspect is, but I think there is an universal agreement that aspect represents the subjective viewpoint of the author; No. “Aspect” refers to an objective measure of time that is different from tense. At least, that’s what I was taught, and is...
by kwrandolph
Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:00 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Introducing Nathan Lovell
Replies: 3
Views: 1467

Re: Introducing Nathan Lovell

Also, the number of members who studied computer science is remarkable. LOL! I didn’t study computer science. I just paid for some of my college by working as a student intern programming for research. That was back in the days of punchcards, JCL and IBM 360 mainframes. One of my memories is going ...
by kwrandolph
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:59 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

Thanks, Ken: You have said these better than I. It does not follow that if a language does not inflect for tense, it must automatically inflect for aspect. Binnick notes that in too much of linguistic literature, “aspect” has “become a mere trash-bin category for everything temporal which is neither...
by kwrandolph
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:39 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is this the way to study grammar?
Replies: 58
Views: 9871

Re: Is this the way to study grammar?

Jason: So, "tense" would refer to the time and "aspect" to the type of action? As I understand it, “tense” refers to time in reference to the speaker, and aspect to the type of time or whether the type of time is referenced at all. Both are measures of time. At least, that’s what...

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