You don’t get it, do you?
Jason Hare wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:19 am
kwrandolph wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:42 pm[The Masoretic vowel] points often grammatically deviate from the consonantal text of Biblical Hebrew.
I have absolutely no idea what that means.
I first noticed it fairly early on when reading Tanakh, when I noticed consonantal Hophal verbs pointed as Hiphils. Later I noticed nouns pointed as verbs, Qals pointed as participles, and so forth. That’s why I stopped reading the points, already decades ago, and remember only a handful of examples, if even that many.
Jason Hare wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:19 am
kwrandolph wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:42 pmI also made a specific reference to the posted quote from Arnold and Choi (I have no idea who they are) saying that the majority of the examples that they list as conditionals, are not conditionals in Biblical Hebrew. So will we discuss conditionals in Biblical Hebrew consonantal text, or will we just ignore Tanakh and just meander about what others say about the text?
Not all conditional clauses begin with if. Perhaps you can suspend judgment until we’ve gone through the discussions on the topic, and then you can comment about why you think everyone but you is terrible at grammar and misunderstands the entire spectrum of possible combinations that represent if... then... arguments and abstract thinking.
Examples from Arnold and Choi that are NOT conditionals:
1 Sam 19:3 וְרָאִיתִי מָה וְהִגַּדְתִּי לָךְ “… and I will see what happens and will tell you.” Simple declarative statement.
Judg 6:13 וְיֵשׁ יְהוָה עִמָּנוּ וְלָמָּה מְצָאַתְנוּ כָּל־זֹאת “and is YHWH with us? Then why are we dealing with this? Question.
Lev 25:20 מַה־נֹּאכַל בַּשָּׁנָה הַשְּׁבִיעִת הֵן לֹא נִזְרָע “What should we eat in the seventh year, behold (because) we should not sow?” Question.
2 Kgs 4:29 is often translated into English as a conditional, but it is not a conditional in Hebrew. Here Arnold and Choi apply to Biblical Hebrew the meaning of English. It’s the use of the Yiqtol that makes it come out as a conditional in English but not Biblical Hebrew.
Before going through all sorts of pilpul concerning conditionals, should we not first accurately define them?
Karl W. Randolph.