Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-17?

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Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-17?

Postby Philitas » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:39 pm

I don't have access to DJD at the moment (it's in DJD 16, if anyone has access). But here are photographs of all the fragments (4Q88 = 4QPsF), with plate #s:

http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explor ... ipt/4Q88-1

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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby davew » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:46 pm

I have scans of DJD 16 but it might take a day or two to sift through the images.
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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby davew » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:39 pm

You want plates 13-14, or XIII-XIV if we go with DJD numbering. I don't seem to have the plates among my scans or I'd offer to send it to you. Sorry!
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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby unknown5 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:18 am

I know this thread is old, but I too am looking for 4QPsf containing Ps22:16(17). I searched the dss website but I see nothing along the lines of plate 13 or 14, and looking through the fragments seems to be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I have searched through the fragments on the website for 4QPsf but I don't see anything indicating that I'm finding the correct verse or Psalm, nor do I see plates: ER 1110 (43.026), 1550 (43.603) as referred to on this page http://paulconway.info/wiki/index.php?t ... oldid=1568

I've read conflicting claims, that the word is not legible or is missing, that only certain letters are present like the Kaph and the Resh, but an Aleph may or may not be present, and another claim that the final letter may be a Yod or a Vav. I just would like to see the text for myself if anyone could help me.

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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby unknown5 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:48 am

I know this thread is old, but I would like to see 4Qpsf (4Q88) myself containing Psa 22:16(17). I went to the above mentioned website but can't find the verse, although I throughly searched and it's like trying to find a needle in haystack. I can't find plates 13-14, nor do I see plates ER 1110 (43.026), 1550 (43.603) as mentioned here http://paulconway.info/wiki/index.php?t ... oldid=1568

I have read conflicting claims about the pertinent word, that it is illegible, missing (?), that the Kaph and Resh are present, and perhaps an Aleph, and perhaps a Yod or Vav, although I suspect that some of the latter is confusion with 5_6HevPs.

Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby Kirk Lowery » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:47 am

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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby Ken M. Penner » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:36 am

I think the photo you're looking for is http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explor ... e/B-367900
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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby EstherWalker » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:21 pm

@unknown5: if you're looking for an alternate picture/angle of the fragment, you can find it here: http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explor ... e/B-288520 (It's the second one from the right.)

If you're still around, I'd be curious if you're working on a paper on the issue - because this is what I'm working on as well.

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Re: Anyone know which plate of 4QPsalmsF contains Ps 22:15-1

Postby SteveMiller » Fri May 09, 2014 7:59 pm

Where is ה֯ק֯י֯פ֯נ֯י֯ כ֯ר֯ in the picture? It looks like I see כ̇ל̇בים עדת̇ מ̇ר, but it is at the end of the last line. After the last line there is a slight piece of the top of the next line, so I am thinking that is ה֯ק֯י֯פ֯נ֯י֯ כ֯ר֯, and that is why Logos has the superscripts above those letters. If that last piece of a line is ה֯ק֯י֯פ֯נ֯י֯ כ֯ר֯, how can you make out the letters?
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