Jeremiah 50:12

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Kenneth Greifer
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Jeremiah 50:12

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Jeremiah 50:12 ירמיה
50:12 בּ֤וֹשָׁה אִמְּכֶם֙ מְאֹ֔ד חָפְרָ֖ה יֽוֹלַדְתְּכֶ֑ם הִנֵּה֙ אַחֲרִ֣ית גּוֹיִ֔ם מִדְבָּ֖ר צִיָּ֥ה וַעֲרָבָֽה׃

Jewish Public Society 1917
50:12
Your mother shall be sore ashamed,
She that bore you shall be confounded;
Behold, the hindermost of the nations
Shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.

Does this translation make sense for the word בּ֤וֹשָׁה ? Shouldn't the verb be בשה ?
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Re: Jeremiah 50:12

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Hi Kenneth,

This root acts in Qal in a different way.
Just like the roots אור and טוב, it has an "o" sound after the first letter of the root.

So for example, the perfect Qal would be:
I bOshti
You (m) bOshta
You (f) bOsht
He bOsh
She bOsha
We bOshnu
You (pm) boshtEm
You (pf) boshtEn
They bOshu
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Re: Jeremiah 50:12

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David,
My dictionary says that the word בוש can be a noun "shame", but I can't find that word anywhere in the Hebrew Bible. Do you think that the word means "shame" ?
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Re: Jeremiah 50:12

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Kenneth, I'm having difficulty seeing what the issue is. As described by David, בּ֤וֹשָׁה is from the verb בּוֹשׁ .
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Re: Jeremiah 50:12

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Schubert wrote:David, I'm having difficulty seeing what the issue is. As described by David, בּ֤וֹשָׁה is from the verb בּוֹשׁ .
I've been unsuccessfully trying to correct my post. It should have started with "Kenneth", not "David". :oops:
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Re: Jeremiah 50:12

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Hi John and Kenneth

John,
As far as I understand, Kenneth asks why it is "bOsha" and not "bAsha".

Because other roots with the same form (W in the middle) acts differently:
from root קום for example, the perfect feminine singular is קמה=qAma.
But here, from root בוש, the verb is "bOsha" and not "bAsha".

And I said that roots בוש and אור and טוב has an "o" sound and not an "a" sound.

Qal has three forms: qatal, qatel and qatol.
These roots act in the form of qatol (even though it is not their real origin).

Kenneth,
I guess your dictionary refers to the word בוש/בש when it comes in the combination of עד בוש / עד בש.
It basically has the meaning of a long delay - (which has a link by idea to the meaning of shame).
(You can see also the verb בשש in the Song of Deborah).
But I don't think we should see it as a noun. Maybe as an absolute or infinitive.

Anyway, in the verse you quoted, the word בושה is a perfect verb.
You can check you dictionary or a concordance to see how this root acts (together with roots אור and טוב) - and then this word in that verse would be more understandable in your reading.
David Hunter
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