Pilpel verb
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Pilpel verb
Is there an infinitive form of pilpel verbs and what would it look like?
Kenneth Greifer
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Re: Pilpel verb
The infinitive would be palpel
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pilpel is exactly as piel (qittel)
pil-pel = qit-tel.
Same thing.
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pilpel is exactly as piel (qittel)
pil-pel = qit-tel.
Same thing.
David Hunter
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Re: Pilpel verb
I was looking at the verb טול in Isaiah 22:17.
22:17הִנֵּה יְהוָה מְטַלְטֶלְךָ טַלְטֵלָה גָּבֶר וְעֹטְךָ עָטֹה׃
Behold, the LORD will hurl thee up and down with a man's throw; Yea, He will wind thee round and round;
I was just curious how that verb would be written as an infinitive.
22:17הִנֵּה יְהוָה מְטַלְטֶלְךָ טַלְטֵלָה גָּבֶר וְעֹטְךָ עָטֹה׃
Behold, the LORD will hurl thee up and down with a man's throw; Yea, He will wind thee round and round;
I was just curious how that verb would be written as an infinitive.
Kenneth Greifer
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Re: Pilpel verb
Pilpel is essentially piel, but with an extra letter. Remember that piel is really piʿʿel. Because of the dagesh, it also consists of four letters theoretically. There is the basic shape of the verb לְבַלְבֵּל "to confuse" (in the attached image). The top middle is the infinitives: the topmost is the construct, and the one under it is the absolute.
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Re: Pilpel verb
Here is the same table in which I've replaced לְבַלְבֵּל "to confuse" with לְטַלְטֵל "to shake."
By the way, pealim.com is a great site with loads of information about Hebrew verbs (and other parts of speech, too).
By the way, pealim.com is a great site with loads of information about Hebrew verbs (and other parts of speech, too).
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Re: Pilpel verb
Jason writes
דלדל, זלזל, טלטל, סלסל, צלצל, שלשל, תלתל
and of a form indicating action by the actor upon another body.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
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It is not "essentially" piel and certainly not with an "extra" letter. טִלְטֵל is from the root טלטל, a member of the root familyPilpel is essentially piel, but with an extra letter.
דלדל, זלזל, טלטל, סלסל, צלצל, שלשל, תלתל
and of a form indicating action by the actor upon another body.
I have never seen a "piʿʿel" and it certainly does not "consist of four letters theoretically"; there is no such "theory".Remember that piel is really piʿʿel. Because of the dagesh, it also consists of four letters theoretically.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
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Re: Pilpel verb
Thanks, David and Jason. I thought the ו in טול might have some effect on the infinitive, but I see it doesn't.
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Re: Pilpel verb
I'm only replying to let you know that I am not going to respond to this and to acknowledge that you responded.Isaac Fried wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:40 am Jason writesIt is not "essentially" piel and certainly not with an "extra" letter. טִלְטֵל is from the root טלטל, a member of the root familyPilpel is essentially piel, but with an extra letter.
דלדל, זלזל, טלטל, סלסל, צלצל, שלשל, תלתל
and of a form indicating action by the actor upon another body.I have never seen a "piʿʿel" and it certainly does not "consist of four letters theoretically"; there is no such "theory".Remember that piel is really piʿʿel. Because of the dagesh, it also consists of four letters theoretically.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
www.hebrewetymology.com
Jason Hare
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יוֹדֵ֣עַ צַ֭דִּיק נֶ֣פֶשׁ בְּהֶמְתּ֑וֹ וְֽרַחֲמֵ֥י רְ֝שָׁעִ֗ים אַכְזָרִֽי׃
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