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Posted: **Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:09 pm**

Is there an infinitive form of pilpel verbs and what would it look like?

Posted: **Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:59 pm**

The infinitive would be palpel

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pilpel is exactly as piel (qittel)
pil-pel = qit-tel.
Same thing.

Posted: **Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:22 pm**

I was looking at the verb טול in Isaiah 22:17.
22:17הִנֵּה יְהוָה מְטַלְטֶלְךָ טַלְטֵלָה גָּבֶר וְעֹטְךָ עָטֹה׃

Behold, the LORD will hurl thee up and down with a man's throw; Yea, He will wind thee round and round;

I was just curious how that verb would be written as an infinitive.

Posted: **Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:40 am**

Pilpel is essentially piel, but with an extra letter. Remember that piel is really piʿʿel. Because of the dagesh, it also consists of four letters theoretically. There is the basic shape of the verb לְבַלְבֵּל "to confuse" (in the attached image). The top middle is the infinitives: the topmost is the construct, and the one under it is the absolute.

Posted: **Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am**

Here is the same table in which I've replaced לְבַלְבֵּל "to confuse" with לְטַלְטֵל "to shake."

By the way, pealim.com is a great site with loads of information about Hebrew verbs (and other parts of speech, too).

Posted: **Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:40 am**

Jason writes

Pilpel is essentially piel, but with an extra letter.

It is not "essentially" piel and certainly not with an "extra" letter. טִלְטֵל is from the root טלטל, a member of the root family
דלדל, זלזל, טלטל, סלסל, צלצל, שלשל, תלתל
and of a form indicating action by the actor upon another body.

Remember that piel is really piʿʿel. Because of the dagesh, it also consists of four letters theoretically.

I have never seen a "piʿʿel" and it certainly does not "consist of four letters theoretically"; there is no such "theory".

Isaac Fried, Boston University
www.hebrewetymology.com

Posted: **Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:47 am**

Thanks, David and Jason. I thought the ו in טול might have some effect on the infinitive, but I see it doesn't.

Posted: **Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:30 pm**

Isaac Fried wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:40 am Jason writes
Pilpel is essentially piel, but with an extra letter.
It is not "essentially" piel and certainly not with an "extra" letter. טִלְטֵל is from the root טלטל, a member of the root family
דלדל, זלזל, טלטל, סלסל, צלצל, שלשל, תלתל
and of a form indicating action by the actor upon another body.
Remember that piel is really piʿʿel. Because of the dagesh, it also consists of four letters theoretically.
I have never seen a "piʿʿel" and it certainly does not "consist of four letters theoretically"; there is no such "theory".

Isaac Fried, Boston University
www.hebrewetymology.com

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