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how to pronounce some words
Can someone tell me how to pronounce a few words in Hebrew?
תרוממי
Is it "te-rom-mee" or "te-ro-me-mee"?
מרוממ'ם
Is this "me-rom-meem" or "me-ro-me-mee"?
Sort of the same question.
I was reading about vocal schwas and silent schwas, and I was wondering why don't they just have two different symbols instead of having a vowel that can be read two different ways? Has anybody ever come up with different vowel symbols for things like this? It seems silly to have one vowel that can be read different ways, if you can avoid that.
Kenneth Greifer
תרוממי
Is it "te-rom-mee" or "te-ro-me-mee"?
מרוממ'ם
Is this "me-rom-meem" or "me-ro-me-mee"?
Sort of the same question.
I was reading about vocal schwas and silent schwas, and I was wondering why don't they just have two different symbols instead of having a vowel that can be read two different ways? Has anybody ever come up with different vowel symbols for things like this? It seems silly to have one vowel that can be read different ways, if you can avoid that.
Kenneth Greifer
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Re: how to pronounce some words
Also, the word
היתה
Is it pronounced "hay-ta" or "ha-yeta"?
Kenneth Greifer
היתה
Is it pronounced "hay-ta" or "ha-yeta"?
Kenneth Greifer
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Re: how to pronounce some words
Can you tell us where you’re getting the last word מרוממ'ם? Did you intend it to have a yod rather than an apostrophe (מרוממים)?Kenneth Greifer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:35 pm Can someone tell me how to pronounce a few words in Hebrew?
תרוממי
Is it "te-rom-mee" or "te-ro-me-mee"?
מרוממ'ם
Is this "me-rom-meem" or "me-ro-me-mee"?
Sort of the same question.
I was reading about vocal schwas and silent schwas, and I was wondering why don't they just have two different symbols instead of having a vowel that can be read two different ways? Has anybody ever come up with different vowel symbols for things like this? It seems silly to have one vowel that can be read different ways, if you can avoid that.
Kenneth Greifer
The long vowel ו will not be part of a closed unaccented syllable. It is me-ro-me-mím. The same with תרוממי te-ro-me-mí.
Jason Hare
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יוֹדֵ֣עַ צַ֭דִּיק נֶ֣פֶשׁ בְּהֶמְתּ֑וֹ וְֽרַחֲמֵ֥י רְ֝שָׁעִ֗ים אַכְזָרִֽי׃
ספר משלי י״ב, י׳
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יוֹדֵ֣עַ צַ֭דִּיק נֶ֣פֶשׁ בְּהֶמְתּ֑וֹ וְֽרַחֲמֵ֥י רְ֝שָׁעִ֗ים אַכְזָרִֽי׃
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Re: how to pronounce some words
Either one. Technically, the shva is vocal, but it doesn’t matter.Kenneth Greifer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:44 pm Also, the word
היתה
Is it pronounced "hay-ta" or "ha-yeta"?
Kenneth Greifer
Jason Hare
Tel Aviv, Israel
The Hebrew Café
יוֹדֵ֣עַ צַ֭דִּיק נֶ֣פֶשׁ בְּהֶמְתּ֑וֹ וְֽרַחֲמֵ֥י רְ֝שָׁעִ֗ים אַכְזָרִֽי׃
ספר משלי י״ב, י׳
Tel Aviv, Israel
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יוֹדֵ֣עַ צַ֭דִּיק נֶ֣פֶשׁ בְּהֶמְתּ֑וֹ וְֽרַחֲמֵ֥י רְ֝שָׁעִ֗ים אַכְזָרִֽי׃
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Re: how to pronounce some words
Yes, I wanted to write the letter yud, not an apostrophe.Jason Hare wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:40 pmCan you tell us where you’re getting the last word מרוממ'ם? Did you intend it to have a yod rather than an apostrophe (מרוממים)?Kenneth Greifer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:35 pm Can someone tell me how to pronounce a few words in Hebrew?
תרוממי
Is it "te-rom-mee" or "te-ro-me-mee"?
מרוממ'ם
Is this "me-rom-meem" or "me-ro-me-mee"?
Sort of the same question.
I was reading about vocal schwas and silent schwas, and I was wondering why don't they just have two different symbols instead of having a vowel that can be read two different ways? Has anybody ever come up with different vowel symbols for things like this? It seems silly to have one vowel that can be read different ways, if you can avoid that.
Kenneth Greifer
The long vowel ו will not be part of a closed unaccented syllable. It is me-ro-me-mím. The same with תרוממי te-ro-me-mí.
מרוממים
I am assuming from your answers that it would be "me-ro-me-meem."
Thank you for answering me.
Kenneth Greifer
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Re: how to pronounce some words
I have another question about the hophal form of the verb רום. Is the word הורמו pronounced "hoor-moo" or "hoo-re-moo"?I think it is "hoo-re-moo". It would be nice if they had different vowels for the vocal schwa and the silent schwa. I am trying to understand the rules about this stuff, but it seems a little tricky to me. I don't plan to ask more about these so don't get upset. Thank you.
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Re: how to pronounce some words
I'm pretty sure it's hu-re-Mu (accent on the last syllable so I capitalize the M).
You can rule out hur-Mu (you wrote hoor-Moo but those are shereq vowels) because the closed-unaccented syllable must take a short vowel (but the shereq is long).
So the sequence is
"hu" open unaccented (so takes a long vowel)
"re"
"Mu" open accented
Glenn
You can rule out hur-Mu (you wrote hoor-Moo but those are shereq vowels) because the closed-unaccented syllable must take a short vowel (but the shereq is long).
So the sequence is
"hu" open unaccented (so takes a long vowel)
"re"
"Mu" open accented
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Re: how to pronounce some words
How do you know from looking at this word הורמו how the letters are divided into syllables and which one is accented? I have seen words with only three letters, so why can't you have a syllable with just the letters hay vav resh I assume and one with mem vav. Also, how do you know which is accented? I was looking at grammar books and they talk about open and closed syllable and short and long vowels and where the accent is, but I never understand their explanations really.
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Re: how to pronounce some words
In the book "A Practical Grammar for Classical Hebrew" by J. Weingreen, 2nd edition, on page 9, he says that the word
שומרים is "sho-me-rim." I have seen videos with people saying it is pronounced "shom-rim", so I am confused about this.
Is he right? I didn't want to ask more questions like this, but the book surprised me a little bit.
Kenneth Greifer
שומרים is "sho-me-rim." I have seen videos with people saying it is pronounced "shom-rim", so I am confused about this.
Is he right? I didn't want to ask more questions like this, but the book surprised me a little bit.
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Re: how to pronounce some words
For words that appear in the Hebrew Bible, you could consult an edition that makes sheva distinctions. Such editions include:
- Most (maybe all) modern Koren editions (paper books)
- Most (maybe all) Simanim editions (paper books)
- Al-Hatorah (a free web edition)