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Saboi
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Phoenician Dye

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:13 am

Purple is commonly identified with Phoenicians.

The Hebrew for purple is ארגון and this is cognate with ἁλουργῶν "Sea-Purple " from ἔργων /ארג "Weave"
and the word is unrelated too φοῖνιξ . In the Septuagint, φοίνικα is a translation of תמר (Tamar) that roots Ἀγήνωρ (Agenor) & כנור (Kinnor)
because the arms of the Lyre is made from the Palm Trees of Delos (Δῆλος), related too דקל (DKL) قَل‎ (Daqal) & δάκτυλος (Daktulos) "Palm/ Date".

Exodus 25:4 reads תולעת שני and this is δάκτυλος φοῖνιξ , the Septuagint reads κόκκινον διπλοῦν.

κόκκινον is cognate of סכה (cukkah) and קיקיון (Kikion) "Coccus" of the Worm called תולעת/σκώληξ that live in the leaves of the Palm Trees

The Book of Jonah alludes too the production of the Dye.

Jonah 4:5
Jonah made a booth (סכה) and sat under the shadow (צֵל/ξύλον) ( of a palm tree)

Jonah 4:7
But God prepared a worm when the morning(עלות) rose the next day, and it smote the gourd (קיקיון) that it withered.

יונה (Jonah) is יין/οἴνῳ or φοινός 'blood red' also a Pigeon with a ruddy-complexion. other cognates include דמ, αἱμά , ים, ,Ἰωνία, אדמ and תמ.

In Genesis 38:28, Tamar (Palm Tree) and Judah (Hand) give birth too twins.
- bound upon his hand(יד) a scarlet thread(שני), saying, This came out first.
- ἴδας is a poetic name for the little finger ( δάκτυλος ) so Judah is the 4th son


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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Isaac Fried » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:30 am

Appears to me that דקל DEKEL, 'palm tree'. is a variant of דגל DEGEL,' flag, banner'.

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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:13 pm

דגל DEGEL "Military Standard"
- ταγός, τάγμα, ἐτάγην , σῖγμα , τἀγορᾶ

Songs 5:10 דגול - Chief among ten thousands
Songs 6:4 נדגלות/τεταγμέναι - Army with banners.

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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:55 pm

Genesis 37:3 - Coat of many colours. ( כתנת פסים)
2 Samuel 13:18 - Tamar had a garment of divers colours ( כתנת פסים)
* Phoenix (תמר) of many colours.

כתנת : χιτώνη, κιθών "Garment"
פסים : πόκος, ποικίλος "Wool , many-coloured'

According too Herodotus, the feathers of the Phoenix are Red & Gold and resembles an Eagle.

Ezekiel 17:3
And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, long winged, full of feathers,which had divers colours and came unto Lebanon.

The word φοῖνιξ begins with Φ (Phi) and this is ק (Qop) so the word φοιν- becomes קין/קן "Nest".

Numbers 24:21
Kenites (קיני/φοίνικος) dwell in the Nest (νεόσσιον קנ)
* νεόσσιον - נשא
* νῆσος "Island"

The feathers of the Phoenix are called אבר (Abrah) from ἀβαρῆ (Abarah) or πτερά (Ptera) , wings are Kanaph (כנפ) / κνέφας (Knephas).

According too Herodotus, the Phoenix appear once in 500 years and Noah was 500 years old when he begat Shem (Phoenix) and i suspect the number based on the Pentecontad calendar , 16 months or the time it takes for the Phoenician too return from there sea voyages.

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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Isaac Fried » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:20 pm

Song 5:10 דּוֹדִי צַח וְאָדוֹם, דָּגוּל מֵרְבָבָה is translated as, NIV: "My beloved is radiant and ruddy, outstanding among ten thousand." Namely, towering over them as a banner over a host.
Note also how דגל DGL is related to שגל $GL, 'to mount, to be over.'

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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Isaac Fried » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:47 pm

Also, as דגל DGL is related to סגל SGL.
Deut. 7:6
‎כִּי עַם קָדוֹשׁ אַתָּה לַיהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בְּךָ בָּחַר יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לִהְיוֹת לוֹ לְעַם סְגֻלָּה מִכֹּל הָעַמִּים אֲשֶׁר עַל-פְּנֵי הָאֲדָמָה
KJV: "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."
Namely, עַם סְגֻלָּה, 'a significant nation'.

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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:04 pm

Song 5:10 is paralleled in Lamentations 4:7 and both verse uses the words צח and אדמ.

Lam describes Nazarites meaning "untrimmed vines" from the root word is זמר ( Zamar ) "Prune" or τέμεις (Temeis)

זמר also the word for Psalm.

ZMR - Psalm (ψαλμός)
TMR - Palm (παλμός)

Metathesis
ψλμ > ψμλ/זמר
πλμ > πμλ/תמר

The first word in Songs 5:10 is the word Breasts or στῆθος τιτθός, μαστός
and related too תות שד "Fruit" such as the Mulberry.

Songs 7:7 - breasts are like a clusters of grapes.
Isaiah 32:12 - They shall lament for the teats
Eze 23:3 - They bruised the teats of their virginity
Hos 9:14 - Dry breasts (σταφίδα )

The Greek word for Grapes, σταφύλη is שד־פל "Breasts that plummet down" and the Hebrew word, כרם from κρεμάω "Hanging down" (Vines) and this Semitic confusion invented the Hanging Gardens of Babylon that nobody can find.

Song 5:10 - My Fruits are translucent and red
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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Isaac Fried » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Speaking and singing is often likened in Hebrew to growth, and hence זִמְרָה ZIMRAH, 'singing', and זְמוֹרָה ZMORAH, 'branch', both of the root זמר ZMR.
I think that the fraction TA of TAMAR is not radical, to wit: תמר ‫=‬ אתה‫-‬מר TAMAR = ATAH-MAR, where MAR is 'noble'.

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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:34 pm

The word סלה/ ψαλῶ "Pluck/Twitch" so the Psalms were played on a כנור (kinnowr) "Lyre"
and this word is rendered ψαλτήριον (Psaltherion) in Genesis 4:21

The strings of the Lyre are made from the fibres of the Palm Tree.

A word for string , פתיל rendered δακτύλιος in Genesis 38:25 and the context here is Tamar .
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Re: Phoenician Dye

Postby Saboi » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:09 pm

אדמ "Red"
דמ "Blood"
φοινός "Blood Red" (αἵματι φοινόν - Lliad 16:159)
αιμ - "Blood" ( αιμ - αδμ - אדמ )
ϝοῖνος - "Wine"

Homer uses the phrase the word οἶνοψ too describe the Sea at sunset, that sets in the West.

ימ "Sea/West"
- Lliad 2:613 - Crossing the wine-dark sea. (οἴνοπα πόντον)

The Hebrew word for Greece is יון (Yavan) and according too the Lexicon from יין "Wine"
and thus the Mediterranean is the Red Sea ימ דמ .

Phoenician Dye is Red.
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