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Saboi
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Yahweh Adonai

Postby Saboi » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:42 am

In ancient Israel it was customary for women to lament the death of Adonis (יהוה אדני) and this shows throughout the Hebrew scriptures and the root word of אדני is הדה (hedeh), הגה (Hegeh).

Ezekiel 2:10 - והגה והי
Jeremiah 22:18 - הוי אדון והוי הדה

הדה , אדני
- ὀδύναι ' pain of mind, grief, distress'
- תאניה (Tanie) "Mourning"
- תאנה (Tane) " Fig" τῦκον, συκῇ
- ἀνιᾷ ( Ania) "grief, sorrow, distress"
- ὥδωνις, Ἄδωνις 'Adonis'
- ἁδοναί, ἡδονή 'enjoyment' (fem)
- στένω ( Steno ) "moan, narrow"
- Διόνυσος 'Dionysus'
- εὐοῖ ' cry of the bacchai'
- יהוה, ὑή - Dionysus as the god of fertilizing moisture

The root of the word BACCHUS (Ιακχος, βάκχος) is בכה "Weep" and בכא "Mulberry-Fig"
that are harvested in the Ancient Levant in the month of Tammuz and the fruit is called בכא from the blood-like tears the pressed berries pour forth.

תמוז 'Tammuz
- דמעת 'Tears
- דמ 'Blood'
- Διόνυσος (Δνυσ/תמוז)
- תאנה 'mulberry-fig'

שוע 'Cry' dialect-שבע
- יהושוע 'Jesus (εὐοῖ σέβοι , εὐσέβιος, δῖος σεβυς)
-יהוסף 'Joseph'
-צבאות 'Sabaoth
-Σαβάζιος 'Sabazios (Bacchus)

-Weeping- (for the fruit, that they cut down , beat and stomp in a vat and resurrects as Wine)
Zachariah 12:11 - The mourning (stomping) of the Pomegranates in the valley of weeping
Isaiah 24:7 - The new wine mourns, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh.
Ezekiel 8:14 - women weeping for Tammuz (the figs)
Psalm 84:6 - Valley of Bacchus (Baka)
Joel 1:12 - vine is dried, fig tree languisheth .. Gird yourselves, and Lament

The words for -Weeping- and -Stomping- are the same or similar sounding words.

בכה 'Weep' - בקע 'Stomp'

ספד (caphad) 'weep, lament
- κοπτός 'chop small
- κοπετός ' lamentation
- HADAD ' God of Pomegranates)
- מגדון (Megiddon) גדעון (Gideon), גדעם (Gidom)

-Fig leaves- ( חגרת־שק - Σάτυρος συκῇ)
Gen 3:7 - They sewed fig-leaves together and made themselves aprons (חגרת/περιζώματα)
Joel 1:8 - They Girded (חגרת/περιζώματα) with fig-leaves(σῦκον)
Gen 37:34 - Put fig-leaves upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days
2 Samuel 3:31 - Rend your clothes, and gird you with fig-leaves , and mourn
Esther 4:1 -, Mordecai put on fig-leaves with ashes and cried with a loud and a bitter cry
Esther 4:3 - mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in fig-leaves
Jeremiah 4:8 - For this gird you with fig-leaves , lament and howl
Jonah 3:8 - But let man and beast be covered with fig-leaves , and cry mightily unto God

Isaiah 32:11
Make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins and they shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.
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Lee Mcgee

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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby Saboi » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:00 am

ἀλαλαὶ ἰὴ (hallelujah) - cry, shout aloud in orgiastic rites of Bacchus and Bacchae

εὐαί (euoe), εὐάν (euan) - Cry in honour of Bacchus
εὐοῖ (euoi ) - exclamation used in the cult of Dionysus ( εὐοῖ = יהוה ) *Left to right

Isaiah (εὐοῖ )
1:4 1:24 5:8 5:11 5:18 5:20 5:21 5:22 10:1 10:5 17:12 18:1 28:1 29:1 29:15 30:1
31:1 33:1 45:9 45:10 55:1

Aristoph. Eccl. 1163
Dance gaily! Iai! Iai! We shall dine! Euoi! Euai! Euai! As for a triumph! Euoi! Euoi! Euai! Euai!
ἰαὶ ἰαὶ εὐαί, εὐαί, εὐαί, εὐαί.

Epictetus, Discourses 3:19
Woe to me for my little child, for my brother Woe for my father
ὐαὶ διὰ τὸν πατέρα : הוי לי את אבי

Strabo 10.3
Hyes Attes, and Attes Hyes, - ὕης ἄττης ἄττης ὕης.
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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby Isaac Fried » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:06 pm

The radical element of אדוֹני ADONAY is but עד as in גן-עדן the garden of the master, עדוֹן or ADON. I suspect that the AY ending is an ancient plural form: היא-היא, as in the theophoric names
שָׂרַי = שׂר-היא-היא
changed later to the indifferent שָׂרָה, and
יִשַי = איש-היא-היא

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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby talmid56 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:02 am

Lee, the posts you've presented have been interesting, but to me they are more coincidental than convincing. I am not sure how they advance or help our understanding of Biblical Hebrew. It appears on the surface at least that you are attempting to show that the Hebrews worshiped the same gods as the pagans. While some did, it is the clear evidence of the Tanakh that they did so without Yahweh's approval, and indeed suffered punishment for it. Would you care to comment or explain your goals for these posts?

Dewayne Dulaney
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דואיין דוליני

כִּ֤י שֶׁ֨מֶשׁ׀ וּמָגֵן֮ יְהוָ֪ה אֱלֹ֫הִ֥ים חֵ֣ן וְ֭כָבוֹד יִתֵּ֣ן יְהוָ֑ה לֹ֥א יִמְנַע־ט֝֗וֹב לַֽהֹלְכִ֥ים בְּתָמִֽים׃
--(E 84:11) 84:12 תהלים

Saboi
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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:56 pm

The Bible is a puzzle book that needs solving , my goal is to solve it.

Adonis was a very popular deity in the Levant and as many names, Dionysus, Bacchus, Tammuz , Attis, Mithras, Liper Pater, Sabazios and
the main theme is the making of Wine and this is overlooked and ignored by Biblical Scholars.

Ancient Jewish Coins always have images of Grapes, Lyres, Palm Trees, Wines, Goblets and trumpets , I am interest
in that culture.

John Hyrancus
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Judeo Aristobulus
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Antoninus Pius ( for comparison)
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Herod Archelaus
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Grape cluster, Punic trumpets.
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1st century AD (ca.). An early Jewish terracotta oil lamp. Red-slipped, with three voluted nozzles, molded with two figures of Silenus seated upon a donkey on either side with the "Menorah" beneath him.
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Lyre
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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby Saboi » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:45 pm

The largest temple in ancient antiquity is the Temple of Bacchus in Baalbek in the Valley of Beqaa in the Levant

Bacchus : הבכא
Baalbek : Πόλις Βάκχος, Φιλόβακχος , Ἡλιούπολις, און , בית־שמש.
Beqaa Valley : Βάκχος Πεδίον, ארץ מישור, בקעה , פדנה ארם , גן־עדן


Lyre
Psalm - ψαλμός, διάψαλῶ , δψλ/זמר
Palm - παλμός πμλ/תמר
Pluck - סלה/ψαλῶ

Lyre was invented by Hermes from the shell of a tortoise and given too Apollo
according too the mythology of the Greeks

Tortoise Shell
גלים / χελῶναι

The Strings made of the fibres of the Palm tree and the arms from the wood.

The Psalms in the Hebrew scripture were played on a LYRE.

Lyre
כנור, Ἀγήνωρ, תמר , זמר

מעוז שוח - μουσικός - موسيقى - Music
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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby talmid56 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:01 am

Lee,

I should remind you that Greek and Hebrew are not related languages. Hebrew is Semitic, while Greek is Indo-European. Hebrew and Aramaic are relatives, close cousins. Arabic is also related to Hebrew. Greek is not related.

There are some some borrowings from Hebrew in Greek, e.g., πασχα, σαββατον from Heb. פסח, שבת, and proper names in the LXX and NT. However, there are no borrowings from Greek in Biblical Hebrew that I know of. We do see some Greek borrowings in Hebrew during the Mishnaic period. But other than these borrowings there is no connection between BH and ancient Greek. None. There are a few Greek words in the Aramaic part of Daniel. This is due to diplomatic contacts using Aramaic and possibly because of the contacts between Greece and Persia during their wars.

As for grape production, yes, the Hebrews cultivated grapes. But they did so because they took over Canaanite lands and farming practices, not because they worshiped Bacchus.
Dewayne Dulaney
דואיין דוליני

כִּ֤י שֶׁ֨מֶשׁ׀ וּמָגֵן֮ יְהוָ֪ה אֱלֹ֫הִ֥ים חֵ֣ן וְ֭כָבוֹד יִתֵּ֣ן יְהוָ֑ה לֹ֥א יִמְנַע־ט֝֗וֹב לַֽהֹלְכִ֥ים בְּתָמִֽים׃
--(E 84:11) 84:12 תהלים

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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby talmid56 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:57 am

And no, Adonai אדני is not related in any way to Adonis. Not linguistically and certainly not theologically.
Dewayne Dulaney
דואיין דוליני

כִּ֤י שֶׁ֨מֶשׁ׀ וּמָגֵן֮ יְהוָ֪ה אֱלֹ֫הִ֥ים חֵ֣ן וְ֭כָבוֹד יִתֵּ֣ן יְהוָ֑ה לֹ֥א יִמְנַע־ט֝֗וֹב לַֽהֹלְכִ֥ים בְּתָמִֽים׃
--(E 84:11) 84:12 תהלים

Saboi
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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby Saboi » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:23 pm

פסח came from פת 'morsel (of bread)'

Gen 18:5
And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on

The cognate of פת is ψωμός and the root is ψάω(psáō) 'crumble' the poetry rhymes the
word with πηδάω 'leap' ( of the heart, to leap, to pass over).

מַצָּה - μᾶζα "Barley Cake"

Aeschylus Agamemnon Verse 1035 ( circa 500 BCE )
"or even Alkmene’s son, men say, once endured to be sold and to eat the bread of slavery(מַצָּה - μᾶζα )

Ides of Nisan coincides with the Roman feast of Anna Perenna, barley-cakes (מַצָּה') was sacred to her
and thus Passover or breaking of bread not a Jewish exclusive ritual.
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Re: Yahweh Adonai

Postby Saboi » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:51 pm

The Ancient Greeks believed that Bacchus-Dionysus was born in the Levant as in, native too the region that the Phoenicians exported too Greece.

Arrian - Anabasis XVI
Heracles was honored in Tyre many generations before Cadmus set out from Phoenicia and occupied Thebes, and before
Semele, the daughter of Cadmus, was born, from whom Dionysus, the son of Zeus, was born.

Herodotus 7:89
These Phoenicians formerly dwelt as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria.
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