the word "thigh"

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Kenneth Greifer
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the word "thigh"

Postby Kenneth Greifer » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:59 am

Is the word ירך "thigh " or "your thigh" in Psalm 45:3 or 4,in Ezekiel 21:12, and in Numbers 5:21?
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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby Isaac Fried » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:08 pm

The fraction רך of יֶרֶךְ, 'thigh' (as well as of בֶּרֶךְ, 'knee') indicates reference to a "soft", or movable body part.
By analogy also any lower or further part, as in 1Sam. 24:3
וְשָׁם מְעָרָה וַיָּבֹא שָׁאוּל לְהָסֵךְ אֶת רַגְלָיו וְדָוִד וַאֲנָשָׁיו בְּיַרְכְּתֵי הַמְּעָרָה ישְׁבִים
and Isaiah 14:13-15
וְאַתָּה אָמַרְתָּ בִלְבָבְךָ הַשָּׁמַיִם אֶעֱלֶה מִמַּעַל לְכוֹכְבֵי אֵל אָרִים כִּסְאִי וְאֵשֵׁב בְּהַר מוֹעֵד בְּיַרְכְּתֵי צָפוֹן. אַךְ אֶל-שְׁאוֹל תּוּרָד אֶל יַרְכְּתֵי בוֹר
and Jonah 1:5
וְיוֹנָה יָרַד אֶל יַרְכְּתֵי הַסְּפִינָה וַיִּשְׁכַּב וַיֵּרָדַם

The root ירך is a member of good standing of the family of roots
דרך, ירך, סרך, צרך, שרך
ירח, ירק

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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby Kenneth Greifer » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:25 pm

Isaac,
Do you think it says "thigh" or "your thigh"?
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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby SteveMiller » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:35 pm

Kenneth,
Ps 45:3(4) and Ezek 21:12 say just "thigh".
Num 5:21 says "your thigh" because of the extra cof.
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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby Isaac Fried » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:26 pm

It is a good question in view of the fact that, indeed, a final ך may stand for a personal pronoun.
Ps. 45:4(3) says
חֲגוֹר חַרְבְּךָ עַל יָרֵךְ גִּבּוֹר הוֹדְךָ וַהֲדָרֶךָ
where
חַרְבְּךָ = חרב-אכה
הוֹדְךָ = הוֹד-אכה
הֲדָרֶךָ = הדר-אכה

In all these, אָכַה is a variant of אַתָּה, 'you', here, 'belonging to you'. We find also אכי, corresponding to אני, in the compounded אָנוֹכִי. An attached אתי is for אני as in כתבתי = כתב-אתי, 'I wrote'.
As for יָרֵךְ, I tend to agree with Steve that it is just "thigh".
The יְרֵכֵךְ = ירך-אך of Nu. 5:21 is, as Steve correctly says, "your thigh."
I repeat here what I have often said before about the tsere that it may be a compromise sign for a patax in a different reading tradition, namely, יְרֵכַךְ = יְרֵכֵךְ = ירך-אַךְ for ירך-אַת.
In Gen. 24:2 יְרֵכִי = ירך-אני.

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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby Kenneth Greifer » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:43 pm

Steve and Isaac,

This is kind of embarrassing. Every book translated them all as "your thigh", even without the second kof, but I didn't notice Numbers 5:21 had a second kof. Wow. All I had to do was look more carefully. Thank you for pointing out the obvious detail that I missed.
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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby Isaac Fried » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:50 am

Here it is once again
חֲגוֹר חַרְבְּךָ עַל יָרֵךְ גִּבּוֹר הוֹדְךָ וַהֲדָרֶךָ
KJV: "Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty."
NIV: "Gird your sword on your side, you mighty one; clothe yourself with splendor and majesty."
But both are more than mere translation, it is also explication; putting poetic and sharp Hebrew into an exegetical prosaic and explicit English.
Word for word: "Gird your sword on thigh, hero, your splendor and your glory"
The poet curtly says "thigh" in place of the formal "your thigh", as it is clear what he means.

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Re: the word "thigh"

Postby SteveMiller » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:17 pm

Thanks Isaac.

Kenneth,
You may have been looking at Num 5:22 which just says thigh without the pronoun suffix.

Anyway, your post helped me. I had made my own translation and song out of Ps 45, and had "Your thigh" in v3. I just now corrected it to "the thigh".
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