נצל = זכר = ישע

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Saboi
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נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:37 am

I have discovered that ישע, נצל and זכר are part of a conjugation and homologous of σώζω & σωτήρ.

ושיע σῶσαι (Judges 10:13) [verb aor inf act]
ויושע ἐσώσατο (Exodus 14:30) [3rd sg aor ind mid]
תשע σώσεις (2 Samuel 22:3) [2nd sg aor subj act epic short_subj]
יושיע σώσει (psalm 69:35) [verb 2nd sg fut ind mid doric contr]
יושע σῷζον (Lam 4:17) [part sg pres act]
ה־ושיע δια-σῶσαι (Deuteronomy 20:4) [verb aor inf act]
תושיע σωσαιτο (Joshua 22:22) [verb 3rd sg aor opt mid]
מושיע σώζοντος (Psalm 7:10) [part sg pres act masc gen]
מושיע σῴζων (Psalm 17:7) [part sg pres act masc nom]
נושע σῴζεται (Psalm 33:16) [verb 3rd sg pres ind mp]
ושעת ἔσωσας (Psalm 44:7) [verb 2nd sg aor ind act]
מ־ושיע ἀνα־σῴζω (Zechariah 8:7) [verb 1st sg pres subj act]


וזכרתי σωθήσομαι (Gen 9:15) [verb 1st sg fut ind pass]
ויזכר ἐσώθη (Gen 30:22) [verb 3rd sg aor ind pass]
זכור σώθητι (Exodus 20:8) [verb 2nd sg aor imperat pass]
זכרת σωθήσῃ (Deuteronomy 5:15) [verb 2nd sg fut ind pass]
המזכיר σώζων(2 Samuel 20:24) [part sg pres act masc nom]
תזכרן σεσώκῃ(Psalm 8:4) [verb 3rd/2nd sg pres subj act pres_redupl]
אזכירה σωθήσονται (Psalm 45:17) [verb 3rd pl fut ind pass]
אזכיר σωθήσομαι (Psalm 71:16) [verb 1st sg fut ind pass]
תזכר σωθῇς(psalm 79:8) [verb 2nd sg aor subj pass contr]

ואצל ἐσωσάμην (Judges 6:9) - verb 1st sg aor ind mid
הצלת ἐσώσω (Judges 11:26) - verb 2nd ind mid
הצילה σώσαι (Psalm 22:20) - verb 2nd sg aor imperat mid
הצילו εσωσασθε(psalm 82:4) - verb 2nd pl aor imperat mid
תצל σῴσῃς (psalm 119:43) - verb 2nd sg aor subj act
מציל σωζόμενος (Micah 5:8) - part sg pres mp masc nom
מצל σεσωσμένος (Zechariah 3:2) - part sg perf mp masc nom
הנצל σωθῆναι (Habakkuk 2:9) - verb aor inf pass

-Aramaic-
ישיזבן σωσηται (Dan 6:16) - verb 3rd sg fut ind mid
שיזבותה σώσασθαι (Dan 6:14) - verb aor inf mid
ושיזב ἐσώσατο ( Dan 3:28) - verb 3rd sg aor ind mid

σῴζω
V. (usually middle) I keep in mind, remember

412 BCE, Euripides, Helen 266:
Ἕλληνες ἐπελάθοντο, τὰς δὲ μὴ κακὰς ἔσῳζον ὥσπερ τὰς κακὰς σῴζουσί μου.
The Hellenes would have forgotten the evil fate that I now have, and would remember what part of my life is not evil, as they now remember what is.

When σῴζω is prefixed with ἄπο it is משה and מנשה because ἄπο is מן, thus the verb in Exodus 2:10
that is משיתה is ἄπο-ἐσωσάμην hence ἀπο־σῴζω is מ־שה
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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:46 pm

σώζω (Verb)
σωτήρ (Noun)
σῶς (Adjective)

Those suffixes are technically prosthetic and the word is σώ thus an adjective
form must appear in Hebrew.

שלוה - σῶαι (1 Chronicles 4:40)
שלוי - σώοις (Psalm 73:12)

more verbs
ושקטת - ἡσυχάζει. σώζει (Zechariah 1:11)
וישתק - ἡσυχάσει, σώσει (Jonah 1:11)
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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:29 pm

Parallel

οἰκός - Noun
οἰκίζω, ἵζω - Verb

The verb form of בית is ישב.
וישב - εἷσεν, ᾤκησεν (Gen 26:6)

Another verb form is δέμω, בנה "Build"

נבנה δείμωμεν (Genesis 11:4) [verb 1st pl aor subj act]
ויבן ἔδειμεν (Genesis 26:25) [verb 3rd sg aor ind act]
תבנה δειμης (Deuteronomy 22:8] [Verb 2nd sg aor subj act]
בונה δέμω (2 Chronicles 2:4) [verb 1st sg pres subj act]
בנות δέμειν (2 Chronicles 3:1) [verb pres inf act attic epic contr]
בניתי ἔδειμα (Ecc 2:4) [verb 1st sg aor ind act]
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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:35 pm

דה = σώ

פדה ἄπο-ἐσώσατο (2 Samuel 4:9) - verb 3rd sg aor ind mid
אפדה ἄπο-σώσομαι (Exodus 13:15) - Verb 1st sg fut ind mid
תפדה ἄπο-σώσῃ (Numbers 18:15) - verb 2nd sg fut ind mid
יפדה ἄπο-σώσεται (Psalm 49:15) - Verb 3rd sg fut ind mid
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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Isaac Fried » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:32 pm

ישע ( as is יזע) is a variant of יצא, 'extricate, free', as in Ex. 14:30
וַיּוֹשַׁע יהוה בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא אֶת יִשְׂרָאֵל מִיַּד מִצְרָיִם
KJV: "Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians"
נצל is a variant of נזל, נטל, נשל and also of דלה, צלה, שלה 'lift, raise, pull up', as in Ps. 69:15(14)
הַצִּילֵנִי מִטִּיט וְאַל אֶטְבָּעָה אִנָּצְלָה מִשֹּׂנְאַי וּמִמַּעֲמַקֵּי מָיִם
KJV: "Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink: let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters."

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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:13 am

צא belongs to a different conjugation, with בא "go" cf. ἔξω, ἐξάγω, ἐξέβα
therefore not a variant of ישע.

זל - ἐκρέω "flow out"
דלה - ἀντλέω "drawing up or emptying, generally, to draw water"
צלה - φρύγω "roast" . cf. χαλκῶ "copper" , σκιάζω "darken"
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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Isaac Fried » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:15 pm

צלה is a variant of תלה, 'hang, suspend'. Thus, לצלות בשר is practically לתלות בשר, to roast meat by holding it directly over a fire. See Ex. 12:8
וְאָכְלוּ אֶת הַבָּשָׂר בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה צְלִי אֵשׁ
NIV: "That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire"

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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Isaac Fried » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:30 pm

By the principle that the negative is merely a positive in reverse we have the Hebrew צלל, 'sink, dive', as in Ex. 15:10
נָשַׁפְתָּ בְרוּחֲךָ כִּסָּמוֹ יָם צָלְלוּ כַּעוֹפֶרֶת בְּמַיִם אַדִּירִים
KJV: "Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters"
On the positive side of צלל stand
זלל, טלל, ילל, סלל, תלל

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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:56 pm

תלה is a compound of ἐκ & ἀρῶ (על) that also forms κρεμῶ & כרם.

It is interesting that κρεμ- means "hang" but in Latin, Cremo means "cremate" but of a different root, however עלת in Genesis 8:20 means "burnt offering" compare with ὁλοκαυτέω "burnt offering" a compound of על & כוה, the word for cremate and hang are easily confused between Latin and Greek.
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Re: נצל = זכר = ישע

Postby Saboi » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:47 am

I have being pulling words from the Septuagint, however it is fairly inaccurate representation of the verbs, this is a much
more accurate conjugation table.

Future
(1st sg) σώ-ωא־דה
(2nd sg) σω-ειςת־דה
(3rd sg) σω-ειי־דה
(1st pl) σω-ουμενנ־דה
(2nd pl) σω-εε-τεת־דה־ו
(3rd pl) σω-εου-σι(ν) ↔ י־דה־נה ,י־דה־ו

Aorist
(1st sg) ε-σω-σα ↔ ו־א־דה
(2nd sg) ε-σω-σας ↔ ו־ת־דה
(3rd sg) ε-σω-σε(ν) ↔ ו־י־דה
(1st pl) ε-σω-σαμεν ↔ ו־נ־דה
(2nd pl) ε-σω-σα-τε ↔ ו־ת־דה־ו
(3rd pl) ε-σω-σ-α(ν) ↔ ו־ת־דה־נה,ו־י־דה־ו

Middle Voice (active voice + dative personal pronoun "ל, δε")
(1st sg) -μαι (μοι) לי־‬‬
(2nd sg) -σαι (σοι) לך‬‬‬־
(3rd sg) -εται (αὐτῷ) לו־‬‬‬
(1st pl) -μεθα (με δε) לני־‬‬
(2nd pl) -εσθε (σε δε) לכם־
(3rd pl) -ονται (ἀυτοῖς) להם־

*דה/σώ (else consider דה as a dummy verb in the examples)
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