Translation on Daniel 8:14

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Danielkim
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Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby Danielkim » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:46 pm

(Daniel 8:14) וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלַ֔י עַ֚ד עֶ֣רֶב בֹּ֔קֶר אַלְפַּ֖יִם וּשְׁלֹ֣שׁ מֵאֹ֑ות וְנִצְדַּ֖ק קֹֽדֶשׁ׃

I do not know how to read hebrew. but when I was look at this verse I was wondering if this verse has the word meaning "then" in hebrew.

the translation as " then it will be vindicated"

Is there anybody can confirm this for me please. I would like to know if the sanctuary will be begining to be vindicated after completion of 2300days.

so I would like to know if the original hebrew text has meaning of " Then" in it.

please help me.

thank you so much.

Daniel Kim.

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Re: Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby SteveMiller » Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:21 pm

The verb "vindicated" is vav consecutive, so it takes place after the 2300 days. So "then" before "vindicated" is correct.
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Re: Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby Mark Lightman » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:56 am

Danielkim wrote:...by the way : Jesus is coming back on April 18th, 2030.

Daniel, I think you have "buried the lead" here.
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Re: Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby kwrandolph » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:21 am

Danielkim wrote:(Daniel 8:14) וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלַ֔י עַ֚ד עֶ֣רֶב בֹּ֔קֶר אַלְפַּ֖יִם וּשְׁלֹ֣שׁ מֵאֹ֑ות וְנִצְדַּ֖ק קֹֽדֶשׁ׃

I do not know how to read hebrew. but when I was look at this verse I was wondering if this verse has the word meaning "then" in hebrew.


I haven’t looked at an English translation, so I don’t know where the “then” is in this verse. I don’t see one.

Do you mean “Then he said to me, …”?

Or “… (in order) that the set apart place (context of verse 13 indicates that this is place, not person nor object) was justified (considered just)”? “That” can also refer to a time period, that it took that long to justify the set apart place after it was defiled.

2300 days = a little over six years. For me, this raises the question, how long was the temple defiled at the time of the Maccabbees? I can think of no other time period that this fits. Further the context indicates that this was during the period of the Greek kingdoms that descended from the split of Alexander’s conquests. Seems to fit Antiochus Epiphanes. And it took a little over six years for the Jews to drive out Antiochus’ people (both Jewish traitors and non-Jews) who had defiled the temple.

That’s how I understand the verse.

Karl W. Randolph.

Ps: The dates at the bottom are why I delayed until now to answer, and even now almost didn’t answer.

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Re: Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby S_Walch » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:13 pm

kwrandolph wrote:
Danielkim wrote:(Daniel 8:14) וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֵלַ֔י עַ֚ד עֶ֣רֶב בֹּ֔קֶר אַלְפַּ֖יִם וּשְׁלֹ֣שׁ מֵאֹ֑ות וְנִצְדַּ֖ק קֹֽדֶשׁ׃

I do not know how to read hebrew. but when I was look at this verse I was wondering if this verse has the word meaning "then" in hebrew.


I haven’t looked at an English translation, so I don’t know where the “then” is in this verse. I don’t see one.

Do you mean “Then he said to me, …”?

David's referring to the ו of ונצדק

The usual English translation of this verse goes as follows: And he said to me, "For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored".

Ps: The dates at the bottom are why I delayed until now to answer, and even now almost didn’t answer.

I find it's best to try and ignore such statements with regards to the return of anyone...
Ste Walch

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Re: Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby Danielkim » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:58 am

Paul said "Covet to prophesy"( 1Cor 14:1,3,5,39).

It is OK to prophesy for future based on understanding of scriptures.

let's wait and see.

there will be no rain for 1260 days beginning on April 1, 2023 through September 11, 2026. (rev 11:6).

this is my understanding.

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Re: Translation on Daniel 8:14

Postby kwrandolph » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:17 am

Danielkim wrote:Paul said "Covet to prophesy"( 1Cor 14:1,3,5,39).


The ancient Greek verb προφητευειν was more often used in the sense of preaching than foretelling the future. Paul used it in this understanding in 1 Corinthian 14. It comes from the root meaning speaking forth.

Danielkim wrote:It is OK to prophesy for future based on understanding of scriptures.


But not to contradict Scripture.

Danielkim wrote:there will be no rain for 1260 days beginning on April 1, 2023 through September 11, 2026. (rev 11:6).

this is my understanding.


That’s not what that verse says. Furthermore, you add dates nowhere found in Scripture. Revelations 22:18.

This is getting off subject for b-hebrew, but it’s related in dealing how to read the text. When you read Daniel, you need to say just what’s there, not add your own ideas and say that that’s what the text says. The same is true for any portion of Tanakh. That’s why analyzing words, grammar, idioms, is so important, so we know exactly (as close as humanly possible) what the text says.

Just my 2¢.

Karl W. Randolph.


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