For everyone's reference, the B-Hebrew archive from before the forum setup is here: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew
A relevant part of the archive may be entitled "5th century BCE to 3rd century CE sociolinguistics (Buth, Kilmon)" as found here.
Mr. Randolph's first contributions to the listserv were from May 2003 and can be viewed here.
Nothing has been deleted from the archives, so far as I am aware.
Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
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Re: Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
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Re: Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
You all might find the discussion of Hebrew as a spoken language from June 2003 interesting, "When did Hebrew cease to be a commonly spoken language?"
It is found here: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-h ... html#start
Notice that B-Hebrew was an email listserv for several years before we moved to the forum format.
It is found here: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-h ... html#start
Notice that B-Hebrew was an email listserv for several years before we moved to the forum format.
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Re: Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
Interestingly, Mr. Randolph said in the above-mentioned thread that:
It seems that he was more willing to admit to it being a hunch in the past. I wonder what has changed.Karl Randolph wrote:I don’t have proof for my belief that Hebrew ceased being the everyday, common language, nor even strong evidence, just a haunch [sic, hunch] based on disparate clues, and my belief could very well be wrong.
[source: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-h ... 15544.html]
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Re: Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
Nope. Not one of those messages was my very first entry into b-hebrew.Jason Hare wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:02 pm For everyone's reference, the B-Hebrew archive from before the forum setup is here: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew
A relevant part of the archive may be entitled "5th century BCE to 3rd century CE sociolinguistics (Buth, Kilmon)" as found here.
Mr. Randolph's first contributions to the listserv were from May 2003 and can be viewed here.
I remember my very first message. It was entered into a thread discussing whether or not Jeremiah was literate. It took a couple of days for other people to notice it. All it said was, “Jeremiah 51:60”. Nothing more. I thought that was sufficient to answer the thread.
Years ago, shortly after we relocated to our present site, I decided to look at some of the threads in which I had been active. Not only did I see individual entries missing, but even whole threads. Now years later, I don’t remember which ones they were, I didn’t keep a written record of my search, but that was enough to tell me there are missing records in that archive.Jason Hare wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:02 pm Nothing has been deleted from the archives, so far as I am aware.
Evaluation of more data. Further analysis of the claims in favor of Hebrew continuing to be used. Willingness to follow the data instead of my heart.Jason Hare wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:42 pm Interestingly, Mr. Randolph said in the above-mentioned thread that:
It seems that he was more willing to admit to it being a hunch in the past. I wonder what has changed.Karl Randolph wrote:I don’t have proof for my belief that Hebrew ceased being the everyday, common language, nor even strong evidence, just a haunch [sic, hunch] based on disparate clues, and my belief could very well be wrong.
[source: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-h ... 15544.html]
I originally was in favor of the theory that Hebrew was a vernacular in late second temple times. Just as a big ship at sea takes miles to turn around, so it’s taken me a while to re-evaluate and come to the conclusions I now have.
Karl W. Randolph.
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Re: Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
Thanks Jason, very helpful and will scour what others have said certainly.Jason Hare wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:02 pm For everyone's reference, the B-Hebrew archive from before the forum setup is here: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew
A relevant part of the archive may be entitled "5th century BCE to 3rd century CE sociolinguistics (Buth, Kilmon)" as found here.
Mr. Randolph's first contributions to the listserv were from May 2003 and can be viewed here.
Nothing has been deleted from the archives, so far as I am aware.
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Re: Stand-Alone Perfect and Imperfect examples with identical 'time' meanings
Maybe the ship was already going in the right directionkwrandolph wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:11 am I originally was in favor of the theory that Hebrew was a vernacular in late second temple times. Just as a big ship at sea takes miles to turn around, so it’s taken me a while to re-evaluate and come to the conclusions I now have.
Karl W. Randolph.
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B-Hebrew used to have some real power hitters. The archives are filled with great information. Happy hunting!Chris Watts wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:24 am Thanks Jason, very helpful and will scour what others have said certainly.
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