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pronunciation of vocal simple shva, in biblical hebrew
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:25 pm
by ralph
I have a question about the pronunciation of vocal simple shva, in biblical hebrew
e.g. Y-rushalayim,
is it Yeru (like a segol), or Yuh-ru(like the uh in banana). Or Yiru(like a chirik). ?
I understand that the Septuagint placenames, being transliterated, can help to indicate how biblical hebrew pronunciation is.
Does ancient greek contain all three of those sounds within its total sounds? (those three, the uh in the first syllable of banana-buh-nana, the segol, and the chirik).
And which does it use for Jerusalem/Y-rushalayim?
Thanks
Re: pronunciation of vocal simple shva, in biblical hebrew
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:56 am
by Jason Hare
Most would go with the sound of segol in the first syllable of יְרוּשָׁלִַם / יְרוּשָׁלַ֫יִם.
Re: pronunciation of vocal simple shva, in biblical hebrew
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:25 am
by ralph
You keep ignoring the term "biblical" and talking about modern israeli hebrew, and without saying that that's what you're doing, though that is what you are doing (And what you say re modern israeli hebrew isn't really accurate, since as pointed out elsewhere by others, some in modern hebrew do it like a chirik, and some may well do it like the uh in banana, but anyhow).
I asked about biblical hebrew, and I asked about ancient greek in helping to determine the pronunciation of it
I am hoping, that on a biblical hebrew forum, when I ask specifically about biblical hebrew in the subject, i'd get responses that take seriously that i'm asking specifically re biblical hebrew
Re: pronunciation of vocal simple shva, in biblical hebrew
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:52 pm
by kwrandolph
ralph wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:25 am
I am hoping, that on a biblical hebrew forum, when I ask specifically about biblical hebrew in the subject, i'd get responses that take seriously that i'm asking specifically re biblical hebrew
The problem, Zak, is that we don’t know what was the pronunciation of Biblical Hebrew. We have evidence that the pronunciation changed by the first century, and continued to change until the time of the Masoretes.
If you want to talk about Masoretic pronunciation, that’s a different story, and I’m not about to get into an argument about that.
Karl W. Randolph.
Re: pronunciation of vocal simple shva, in biblical hebrew
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:34 pm
by Jason Hare
ralph wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:25 am
You keep ignoring the term "biblical" and talking about modern israeli hebrew, and without saying that that's what you're doing, though that is what you are doing (And what you say re modern israeli hebrew isn't really accurate, since as pointed out elsewhere by others, some in modern hebrew do it like a chirik, and some may well do it like the uh in banana, but anyhow).
I asked about biblical hebrew, and I asked about ancient greek in helping to determine the pronunciation of it
I am hoping, that on a biblical hebrew forum, when I ask specifically about biblical hebrew in the subject, i'd get responses that take seriously that i'm asking specifically re biblical hebrew
To me, “biblical Hebrew” refers to the form of the language during the period in which the Bible was composed. It doesn’t refer to a style of pronunciation, since we have only clues about how people used to pronounce things. I use the pronunciation of the modern state of Israel to read biblical Hebrew (the written language). This is extremely common to do, and it allows Hebrew users around the globe to communicate about and in the language clearly. If you were asking about an historical reconstruction of how speakers of Hebrew would have sounded 3,000 or so years ago, I would have ignored the question. I don’t put too much stock in reconstructed pronunciations. “Biblical Hebrew” is the language of the Bible, no matter how people think it should be read aloud.