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				Another question on syntax
				Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:18 pm
				by MGWB
				If I had a son, and I wanted to tell him to reprove or admonish his brother Aaron, would I write
הוכח אהרון
Or
אהרון הוכח?
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:45 am
				by Ben Putnam
				I think you could say something like this.
תוכיח את אהרון אחיך
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:21 am
				by markofcain
				Ben's answer is probably the most likely for that sentence.  The standard word order in Biblical Hebrew is Verb Subject Object (VSO).  
A text with a different order would usually indicate some type of emphasis being designated.  So, hypothetically, if you were to find written Subject -> Verb -> Object, it would indicate that the emphasis is upon the Subject doing the action of the verb.
Additionally, notice that Ben included the Direct Object Marker (DOM) in his sentence.  The DOM is used to avoid confusing the subject with the object.  The DOM is used with a definite object.  Even though  אהרון  does not have the attached article, it is definite by virtue of the fact that it is a proper name.
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:47 pm
				by MGWB
				Is Subject -> Object -> Verb ever used?
(And if it is, what would that word order emphasize?)
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:23 am
				by enkidu
				Examples of this word order don't appear to be terribly common, but I've found a couple in Genesis:
Gen 17:9 has this:
ואתה את בריתי תשמר
Gen 23:6
איש ממנו את קברו לא יכלה
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:58 pm
				by markofcain
				MGWB wrote:Is Subject -> Object -> Verb ever used?
(And if it is, what would that word order emphasize?)
Yes.  Gen 17:9 is one example 
וְאַתָּה אֶת־בְּרִיתִי תִשְׁמֹר  (and you my covenant shall keep) though according to Gesenius most of the occurrences of 
SOV are in poetry and in Aramaic sections in Daniel.  Gensenius § 142.2.(c)
As to its meaning, a variation of the normal order of words is used to indicate an emphasis based upon the priority position of the word.  So, in Gen 17:9 the emphasis would be upon the particular identify of the newly re-named Abraham as he, by virtue of the pronoun, holds the priority position in the sentence.  Likewise, it could be argued grammatically that the covenant itself is placed in a priority position ahead of the verb of "keeping".  From a structural point of view I think that the personal responsibility towards "my covenant" in v 9 is compared with God's initiatory action regarding "my covenant" in verse 7.  In order words, I think what is being emphasized here is a "contract" of "my part" / "your part."
But remember that once we get beyond mere observation ("I see a pattern of SOV"), we get into the debatable realm of hermeneutics and the challenge of "what does it mean."
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:48 pm
				by Ben Putnam
				This is my understanding of what default word order is for biblical Hebrew.
Verb(vayyiqtol)-Subject-Object
Verb(veqatal)-Subject-Object
Subject-Verb(participle)-Object
Subject-Verb(yiqtol)-Object
Subject-Verb(qatal)-Object
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:34 pm
				by MGWB
				Thank you.
So if I were to write מֹשֶׁה הוכח אהרון , how would the reader know if I were telling Moses to correct Aaron, or Aaron to correct Moses?
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:20 am
				by markofcain
				You would use the 
Direct Object Marker to remove the confusion.
The Direct Object Marker is used to avoid confusing the subject with the object. The DOM is used with a definite object. Even though אהרון does not have the attached article, it is definite by virtue of the fact that it is a proper name.
Watch the segment "Sign of the Accusative" in this video:
http://animatedhebrew.com/lectures/chap ... er_10.html 
			 
			
					
				Re: Another question on syntax
				Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:56 pm
				by SteveMiller
				Thanks Mark! Very nice video. I had not known that the DOM could only be used with a definite noun as the object. That is important to know.