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Ben Putnam
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Some Helpful Videos

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I stumbled across a nice YouTube playlist containing 10 videos. The first and last videos are biblical texts with actions to aid in memorization. Videos 2–8 illustrate TPR (total physical response) in an immersive environment of biblical Hebrew. Very interesting and useful for those of us who are developing fluency in the language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir4S8nOU ... 2134F474A2
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Interesting. Thank you!
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Thank you! :)
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Ben Putnam wrote:I stumbled across a nice YouTube playlist containing 10 videos. The first and last videos are biblical texts with actions to aid in memorization. Videos 2–8 illustrate TPR (total physical response) in an immersive environment of biblical Hebrew. Very interesting and useful for those of us who are developing fluency in the language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir4S8nOU ... 2134F474A2
How are these different from modern Israeli? The pronunciation is modern and grammar not Biblical. There are questions on even some of the vocabulary.

The teaching method is sound.

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Karl,

Since you yourself have stressed that we don't really know what the Biblical pronunciation was, and you contend the Massoretic can't be trusted, I submit that the pronunciation used is not really relevant. Your grammar issue, though, would be. Can you give us some examples of how the grammar in the videos doesn't match up with Biblical Hebrew? And, examples of misused vocabulary, too.

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talmid56 wrote:Karl,

Since you yourself have stressed that we don't really know what the Biblical pronunciation was, and you contend the Massoretic can't be trusted, I submit that the pronunciation used is not really relevant.
Agreed that pronunciation isn’t that relevant, except where the pronunciation indicates meaning. And even there the Masoretic points contain errors.
talmid56 wrote: Your grammar issue, though, would be. Can you give us some examples of how the grammar in the videos doesn't match up with Biblical Hebrew?
The first and major area I notice is in the treatment of verbs. From what I’ve been told, already by Mishnaic Hebrew, probably also DSS Hebrew, the verbs were conjugated as tenses—the Qatal as past, participle as present and Yiqtol as future. However, Biblical Hebrew didn’t conjugate for time, neither tense nor aspect.

The majority of spoken sentences recorded in Tanakh that have a present referent, indicative meaning are written as subject, verb in Qatal (not participle), object. In the videos as well as the teaching materials I’ve seen from the “Biblical Language Center” such sentences are subject, participle, object, just like in modern Israeli, though was that the pattern already established in Mishnaic times?
talmid56 wrote: And, examples of misused vocabulary, too.
I watched only a couple of videos this time, just enough to establish that they show the same grammar as the grammar taught in Biblical Language Center. I previously watched a few videos from the Biblical Language Center and noticed a few terms, but that was years ago and I don’t remember which words now. However, even in a couple videos, it sounded like the word לאט meant “slowly” while in Tanakh it means “softly, gently Genesis 33:14, Isaiah 8:6, Job 15:11 as in sneaking Judges 4:21”.
talmid56 wrote:דּוּאֵין דּוּלֵינִי
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