To you or for you
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To you or for you
Does anyone know any quotes with לכה as "to you" or "for you" instead of לך?
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Re: To you or for you
Not in the text of the Bible (from what I found by simply searching for לכה without any lemma restrictions on Logos). However, I'm pretty sure that it appears in the DSS this way. Maybe someone who has access to searchable DSS documents will be able to confirm.
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Re: To you or for you
Genesis 27:37 וּלְכָה אֵפוֹא מָה אֶעֱשֶׂה בְּנִי
Isa. 3:6 שִׂמְלָה לְכָה
2Sam 18:22 וּלְכָה אֵין בְּשׂוֹרָה מֹצֵאת
Isa. 3:6 שִׂמְלָה לְכָה
2Sam 18:22 וּלְכָה אֵין בְּשׂוֹרָה מֹצֵאת
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Re: To you or for you
Thanks for finding these quotes. I was looking at 2 Samuel 18:22 and they translate it "there is not a reward ready", but it looks like "there is not a reward from going forth" to me. I am sure that some translations say it that way. Do you know of any?
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Re: To you or for you
The word לכה, in the meaning of "going", is a long-form of imperative.
meaning: Go!
I don't know how one can translate the verse with this meaning.
Where did you see that translation?
meaning: Go!
I don't know how one can translate the verse with this meaning.
Where did you see that translation?
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Re: To you or for you
In Isaiah 14:9, The Great Isaiah Scroll has לכה for לְךָ both times it appears.
Interestingly in the verse prior, it just has לך!
Same scroll, Isaiah 22:16; first two לך are just לך, third one becomes לכה.
לכה appears in the Great Isaiah Scroll in: 33:2; 37:22 (x2); 37:30; 38:7; 41:9, 13; 45:3, 4; 48:5, 8, 9; 57:8; 63:14.
In Isaiah 33:4, לְךָ is actually לכם (singular to plural).
In Isaiah 40:9, לָךְ is as לכי (feminine plene).
Interestingly in the verse prior, it just has לך!
Same scroll, Isaiah 22:16; first two לך are just לך, third one becomes לכה.
לכה appears in the Great Isaiah Scroll in: 33:2; 37:22 (x2); 37:30; 38:7; 41:9, 13; 45:3, 4; 48:5, 8, 9; 57:8; 63:14.
In Isaiah 33:4, לְךָ is actually לכם (singular to plural).
In Isaiah 40:9, לָךְ is as לכי (feminine plene).
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Re: To you or for you
DSS write this word לך as לכה commonly.
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What is Isaiah 33:4 & Isaiah 40:9?
I don't see the word there.
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What is Isaiah 33:4 & Isaiah 40:9?
I don't see the word there.
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Re: To you or for you
I didn't say it meant "go". I think it means "to you" or "for you." I forget which one. I said the other word meant there is not a reward for you "from going forth."
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Re: To you or for you
Isaiah 40:9 (Mas)
עַ֣ל הַר־גָּבֹ֤הַ עֲלִי־לָךְ֙ מְבַשֶּׂ֣רֶת צִיּ֔וֹן הָרִ֤ימִי בַכֹּ֙חַ֙ קוֹלֵ֔ךְ מְבַשֶּׂ֖רֶת יְרוּשָׁלִָ֑ם הָרִ֙ימִי֙ אַל־תִּירָ֔אִי אִמְרִי֙ לְעָרֵ֣י יְהוּדָ֔ה הִנֵּ֖ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶֽם
Isaiah 40:9 (GIS)
על הר גבה עלי לכי מבשרת ציון הרימי בכוח קולך מבשרת ירושלים הרימי אל תיראי אמורי לערי יהודה הנה אלוההכמה
I'm still trying to find where I got the 33:4 one from...
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Re: To you or for you
Kenneth,
I got you.
You mean about what you wrote:
"There is not a reward from going forth"
and the "going forth" would be מצאת.
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If so, notice that the whole understanding of "reward" is based on the word מצאת (as it is read).
(as a short away to say: find you a reward).
The word "reward" is a completion for the verse.
The translation is according to the understanding.
So if you change the word מצאת to "from going forth", then you need to give up the word "reward".
And anyway, it wouldn't sound any better (or good) than what it is already voweled.
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Of course, the "reward" understanding is one out of a few.
I got you.
You mean about what you wrote:
"There is not a reward from going forth"
and the "going forth" would be מצאת.
?
If so, notice that the whole understanding of "reward" is based on the word מצאת (as it is read).
(as a short away to say: find you a reward).
The word "reward" is a completion for the verse.
The translation is according to the understanding.
So if you change the word מצאת to "from going forth", then you need to give up the word "reward".
And anyway, it wouldn't sound any better (or good) than what it is already voweled.
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Of course, the "reward" understanding is one out of a few.
David Hunter