דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

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דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Isaac Fried » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:34 am

We read there
וַתִּדְבַּק נַפְשׁוֹ בְּדִינָה בַּת יַעֲקֹב וַיֶּאֱהַב אֶת הַנַּעֲרָ
KJV: "And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel"
with וַתִּדְבַּק = בא-את-היא-דבק from the act דבק which is evidently but a variant of דפק, 'strike', to put together.
Indeed, the English "cleave" (German kleben, 'glue') appears also to be a variant of 'clap' and 'clip', German klopfen, 'knock, strike'.

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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Isaac Fried » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:31 pm

Thinking about דבק DBQ, 'cleave', and דפק DPQ, 'strike', we recall the related ספק SPQ, 'clap', of Lamentations 2:15
סָפְקוּ עָלַיִךְ כַּפַּיִם כָּל עֹבְרֵי דֶרֶךְ שָׁרְקוּ וַיָּנִעוּ רֹאשָׁ, עַל בַּת יְרוּשָׁלִָם
KJV: "All that pass by clap their hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem"

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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Isaac Fried » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:36 pm

Of further interest here are the roots טפח (תפח) TPX, ’swell, spread, flatten, clap’, as in Isaiah 48:13
אַף יָדִי יָסְדָה אֶרֶץ וִימִינִי טִפְּחָה שָׁמָיִם
NIV: My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens
and ספח SPX, ‘annex, append, join, add, attach’, as in Isaiah 14:1
כִּי יְרַחֵם יהוה אֶת יַעֲקֹב וּבָחַר עוֹד בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל וְהִנִּיחָם עַל אַדְמָתָם וְנִלְוָה הַגֵּר עֲלֵיהֶם וְנִסְפְּחוּ עַל בֵּית יַעֲקֹב
NIV: The Lord will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Foreigners will join them and unite with the descendants of Jacob.

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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Saboi » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:58 pm

דבק means Yoke and thus the reading of ותדבק should be ἔζευξεν.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7-p ... BD&f=false
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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Isaac Fried » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:02 pm

It is unclear to me how “דבק means Yoke and thus the reading of ותדבק should be ἔζευξεν.” You mean that coming to וַתִּדְבַּק in 43:3 I should read it אזאוּקסן, to the utter delight and full understanding of my listeners? They would certainly be carried over by this reading to the אזיקים or זיקים, ‘fetters’, of Ps. 149:8
לֶאְסֹר מַלְכֵיהֶם בְּזִקִּים וְנִכְבְּדֵיהֶם בְּכַבְלֵי בַרְזֶל
KJV:  To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron
NIV: to bind their kings with fetters, their nobles with shackles of iron

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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Saboi » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:22 pm

In Greek, there is ζεῦγος & ζυγός.

The 'εῦ /eβ/ in ζεῦγος is the ב in דבק, where-as זיקים is ζυγόν.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... s&la=greek
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... s&la=greek

Psa 119:25 - My soul cleaveth(דבקה) unto the dust
The Sept reads ἐκολλήθη 'Glue, Cement' but ἐζεύχθη is a valid and cognate reading.

Job 41:17
They are joined(ידבק) one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
* ζεύξεται
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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Isaac Fried » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:51 pm

“Psa 119:25 - My soul cleaveth(דבקה) unto the dust The Sept reads ἐκολλήθη 'Glue, Cement' but ἐζεύχθη is a valid and cognate reading.”
It is still not clear to me what “a valid and cognate reading” is. Do you mean a good translation? A clever and meritorious choice of a Greek term for this kind of metaphorical attachment? Does it help us in understanding the Hebrew?

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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Saboi » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:27 pm

Semantically and Phonetically, ἐζεύχθη is דבקה
- ἐζεύχθη - join in wedlock, yokes her in wedlock, of the husband, of animals yoked together.

Where as ἐκολλήθη tend to have non-human connotations, 'glue, cement, metal-joining, put together, build '
however the root of ἐκολλήθη is κόλλα which is על 'Yoke'.
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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Isaac Fried » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:40 pm

Yes, what you call “cognate”, is the question of what word to select in the translation: glue, cement, paste, collate, join, fasten, stick.

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Re: דבק DBQ, 'cleave', Gen. 34:3

Postby Saboi » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:46 pm

Glue, collate - על
Join - דבק, על
Fasten, Paste - מצת, משח
Cement - חמר, זקם , צמד

True cognates?
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