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(6) And it came to pass as Jacob was crossing (inf. const.) the river that (waw consec.) a man fought with him all the night until the morning. And the man said unto him, ‘Let me go (Piel of שׁלח), for I am an angel of God’; and Jacob said, ‘I will not let thee go until [עַד־אֲשֶׁר] thou hast blessed me’. And the angel blessed him and Jacob let him go.
Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
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Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
My submission:
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
Here's mine:
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
(6) And it came to pass as Jacob was crossing (inf. const.) the river that (waw consec.) a man fought with him all the night until the morning. And the man said unto him, ‘Let me go (Piel of שׁלח), for I am an angel of God’; and Jacob said, ‘I will not let thee go until [עַד־אֲשֶׁר] thou hast blessed me’. And the angel blessed him and Jacob let him go.
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Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion, Cincinnati
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
וְהָיָה is used for the future. The past is וַיְהִי, and there's no כִּי after it. The time structure is set up by (1) the infinitive construct with or without וַיְהִי and (2) the vav-consecutive.Glenn Dean wrote:והיה כי יעקב בעבר הנהר וילחם אישׁ עמו כל־הלילה עד הבקר
The infinitive construct needs to be followed by its subject. So, the literal statement would be "and it happened in/as passing Jacob..." That is, וַיְהִי כַּעֲבֹר יַעֲקֹב.
If we use נִלְחַם, I would assume that weapons were involved. That is, they fought as in a battle. That isn't the case here, so the better word would be נֶאֱבַק, which would take its vav-consecutive as וַיֵּאָבֵק. The idea is that they were struggling or wrestling with each other.
It's OK to write אֵלָו (it appears five times in the Bible), but it will give a tendency toward pronunciation errors, since it will be read as elo by accident. It should be written אֵלָיו (with yod).Glenn Dean wrote:ויאמר האישׁ אלו שׁלח אתי כי אני מלאך אלהים
It would be nice to have vowels included with שלח to show that we understand that it is piel שַׁלֵּחַ or שַׁלַּח and not qal שְׁלַח. At least those verbs should be vocalized.
Negation of the indicative mood is with לֹא. This isn't a cohortative. It's a simple statement. "I will not let you go." So, it should be לֹא אֲשַׁלַּח, and the pointing is important to distinguish between qal (אֶשְׁלַח) and piel (אֲשַׁלֵּחַ or אֲשַׁלַּח).Glenn Dean wrote:ויאמר יעקב אל אשׁלח אתך עד־אשׁר תברך אתי
Since the blessing is seen as completed when Jacob releases the angel, it should probably be in the perfect. "I will not let you go until you have blessed me." So, it should be בֵּרַ֫כְתָּ. This is also what is seen in the text of Genesis.
The direct object with pronominal suffix needs to intervene between the verb and the subject. It should be specifically in the order ויברך אתו המלאך (sounds natural) rather than ויברך המלאך אתו (sounds really awkward). The same with the second phrase. It's just something about the syntax that it intervenes in these situations.Glenn Dean wrote:ויברך המלאך אתו וישׁלח יעקב אתו
I hope that I'm not being too critical. When you're at the composition stage, the details are where you find the devil. It's our job to seek out the little bugger and get him out of there!
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
I don't recall any instance of the inf. const. after ויהי having no dagesh. That's something you might check.Jonathan Beck wrote:וַיְהִי כַעֲבֹר יַעֲקֹב אֶת־הַנָּהָר וְיֵעָבֵךְ אִישׁ עִמּוֹ כָּל־הַלַּיְלָה עַד־הַבֹּקֶר וַיּאֹמֶר הָאִישׁ אֵלָיו שַׁלֵּח אֹתִי כִי מַלְאַךְ־הָאֱלֹהִים אֲנִי׃ וַיּאֹמֶר יַעֲקֹב אֲנִי לֹא אֲשַׁלֵּח אֹתְךָ עַד אֲשֶׁר בֵּרַכְתָּנִי וַיְבָרֶךְ אֹתוֹ וַיְשַׁלַּח אֹתוֹ
The word for wrestling is with alef and kof, so it's וַיֵּאָבֵק rather than ayin and kaf.
If you have a guttural after a long vowel, it has furtive patach. So, not shalech but shaleach. It can be read either as שַׁלַּח (with patach alone) or as שַׁלֵּחַ (with furtive patach). The same with the imperfect (either אֲשַׁלֵּחַ or אֲשַׁלַּח).
You're missing subjects on the last two verbs. The first should have "the angel," and the second "Jacob."
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
Thanxs for the feedback Jason! (And no I don't think you're being critical, I think you have a "good eye")
If I can break my questions into different posts (so that I don't confuse myself ha-ha), I was just translating 1 Sam 1:12 where they use
[left]וְהָיָה כִי[/left]
and their translation is "And it came to pass as " (this sounds like "past" to me atleast)
I sort of understand "waw-cons + perfect" equals "future", while "waw-cons + imperfect" equals "past".
Maybe I'm not really seeing the difference between the two,
Glenn
If I can break my questions into different posts (so that I don't confuse myself ha-ha), I was just translating 1 Sam 1:12 where they use
[left]וְהָיָה כִי[/left]
and their translation is "And it came to pass as " (this sounds like "past" to me atleast)
I sort of understand "waw-cons + perfect" equals "future", while "waw-cons + imperfect" equals "past".
Maybe I'm not really seeing the difference between the two,
Glenn
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
But וְהָיָה is the future, not the past. The past is וַיְהִי.
וְהָיָה = "and it shall be/happen/come to pass"
וַיְהִי = "and it was/happened/came to pass"
וְהָיָה = "and it shall be/happen/come to pass"
וַיְהִי = "and it was/happened/came to pass"
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 31.6
Here's the new exercise: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22450
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