Seeking clarifiaction - The Prefixed Vav - Posted 2019

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Re: Seeking clarifiaction - The Prefixed Vav - Posted 2019

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Jason Hare wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:28 am Without knowing anything about it, this is on Wikipedia: “In a press conference in Jerusalem on June 18, 2003 the Israel Antiquities Authority commission declared the inscription a modern forgery.”
And yet, Jason, if you read further on down you will see diverse opinions from scholars and investigators later than 2003. There are also other sites that offer up both opinions, which is why I said that it can not yet be fully established that it is a forgery. The Israeli Antiquities authority, while most respectable I agree, are not the end of the matter. I am not arguing either side, but it is a matter to consider when there is a literal 50:50 divide in the field of experts that have analysed this.

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Chris Watts wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:25 am And yet, Jason, if you read further on down you will see diverse opinions from scholars and investigators later than 2003. There are also other sites that offer up both opinions, which is why I said that it can not yet be fully established that it is a forgery. The Israeli Antiquities authority, while most respectable I agree, are not the end of the matter. I am not arguing either side, but it is a matter to consider when there is a literal 50:50 divide in the field of experts that have analysed this.

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And I assume that it’s Karl’s prima facie opinion that it is a forgery. I don’t see why it matters if its authentic or otherwise. What’s the significance of this particular piece to any argument?
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Jason Hare wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:56 am
Chris Watts wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:25 am And yet, Jason, if you read further on down you will see diverse opinions from scholars and investigators later than 2003. There are also other sites that offer up both opinions, which is why I said that it can not yet be fully established that it is a forgery. The Israeli Antiquities authority, while most respectable I agree, are not the end of the matter. I am not arguing either side, but it is a matter to consider when there is a literal 50:50 divide in the field of experts that have analysed this.

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And I assume that it’s Karl’s prima facie opinion that it is a forgery. I don’t see why it matters if its authentic or otherwise. What’s the significance of this particular piece to any argument?
I am glad you said this. When I first read the question from him I actually believed I was missing some important reasoning behind the flow of the conversation from him.

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Jason Hare wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:28 am Without knowing anything about it, this is on Wikipedia: “In a press conference in Jerusalem on June 18, 2003 the Israel Antiquities Authority commission declared the inscription a modern forgery.”
OK, you don’t remember it, therefore have no personal opinion on it. I won’t push you on it.

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Jason Hare wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:56 am And I assume that it’s Karl’s prima facie opinion that it is a forgery. I don’t see why it matters if its authentic or otherwise. What’s the significance of this particular piece to any argument?
I came to the inscription with an open mind, hoping that it was genuine. However, the first time reading it through I found the language used was stilted, unnatural, not smooth flowing like, for example, the Siloam inscription. I came to the conclusion that it is a forgery.

I brought this up because of your accusation “The reality of the situation is that neither do you speak Hebrew nor do you have any intuitions regarding how the language finds expression.” Is it you who does not have intuitions regarding how Biblical Hebrew finds expression?

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kwrandolph wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:51 pm
Jason Hare wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:56 am And I assume that it’s Karl’s prima facie opinion that it is a forgery. I don’t see why it matters if its authentic or otherwise. What’s the significance of this particular piece to any argument?
I came to the inscription with an open mind, hoping that it was genuine. However, the first time reading it through I found the language used was stilted, unnatural, not smooth flowing like, for example, the Siloam inscription. I came to the conclusion that it is a forgery.

I brought this up because of your accusation “The reality of the situation is that neither do you speak Hebrew nor do you have any intuitions regarding how the language finds expression.” Is it you who does not have intuitions regarding how Biblical Hebrew finds expression?

Karl W. Randolph.
You are not qualified to use your intuitions to judge whether or not something is authentic. Sorry.
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