Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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I just created the [​strike] ( text ) tag just for this!
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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kwrandolph wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:21 pm Did you mean לעת?
Yes, clearly I meant לעת and not לעט, as you can see in the phrase just above it and in what I actually wrote in my translation (with tav and not tet). I have corrected my original post accordingly.
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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Glenn Dean wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:35 am 3rd Sentence: And he took a book and he wrote in it and he called (to) the husband of the woman and he said unto him, ‘Take now this book and give it to the judge whom thou with find before the palace’.
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וילקח ספר ויכתב בו ויקרא לאיש האשה ויאמר לו לקח הספר הזה ותנו לספת במצא לפני הארמון
What is the imperfect 3ms form of לקח ("he will take")? What is the imperative 2ms form ("take!")? Don't forget that לקח conjugates like those first-nun verbs in which ל assimilates (*yilqaḥyiqqaḥ יִקַּח like *yinśāʾyiśśāʾ יִשָּׂא).

Remember את before הספר הזה (definite direct object).

Rather than ספת, should read ש(ו)פט "judge."

"Whom thou wilt find" is אשר תמצא, and "palace" is היכל.
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Jason Hare wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:05 pm You cannot have both the article and the possessive suffix.
Ah, thanxs! I forgot - by virtue of putting the possessive suffix means it's definite!
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Jason Hare wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:42 pm What is the imperfect 3ms form of לקח ("he will take")? What is the imperative 2ms form ("take!")? Don't forget that לקח conjugates like those first-nun verbs in which ל assimilates (*yilqaḥyiqqaḥ יִקַּח like *yinśāʾyiśśāʾ יִשָּׂא).
thanxs for catching that!!
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I had to "punt" on "the judge whom thou with find"

but would it be something like השפט אשר תמצא (that is you use the imperfect 2ms 'you will find') ??
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Glenn Dean wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 pm I had to "punt" on "the judge whom thou with find"

but would it be something like השפט אשר תמצא (that is you use the imperfect 2ms 'you will find') ??
Precisely.
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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Here are a few notes showing my thinking as I try to make this translation.

“to seek” in English, or if you wish to use בקש in Hebrew, has the main idea of searching for, or in this case looking for a way to marry the woman. What is really meant is that he desired to marry her, so I used a word meaning to desire.

To desire a particular person or thing is חמד while a generalized desire is אוה. Because the king desired a specific woman, I used the term חמד.

To say that a woman is married, literally is “mastered” בעולה and her husband can be either “her man” אישה or “her master” בעלה.

“To tell” comes from the root נגד so that’s the verb I used for when the woman told the king the name of her husband.

“Palace” is a word that is not found in Biblical Hebrew. There is a word whose basic meaning is used for any large building such as a mansion, and very often for the temple. I assume that here Weingreen meant the king’s palace, which is often rendered in Hebrew as “the king’s house” which is what I used.

“writing in a document” presupposes that the document be taken, therefore I see no need to say “he took a book”, I simply omitted it. However, the document is addressed to a certain judge, so I added to whom the document is addressed. In this I followed the example of how this was described in the story of David with Bathsheba.

In the message, “to send” is really too gentle. One who is merely sent can make his way back. In that the kings wants the man to die, the idea is more “to drive him out” which is גרש.

These are some notes from the first paragraph. The second paragraph is for when the prophet comes into the presence of the king.

Should I make my first paragraph public?

Karl W. Randolph.
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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4th sentence: And the man took the book and he gave (it) to the judge.
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ויקח האיש את־הספר ויתן אתו אל־השפט
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Re: Weingreen Grammar, Composition 32.4

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5th sentence:And the judge read the command of the king which (was) written in the book, saying, ‘Send this man away to the wilderness and he shall die there’.
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ויקר השפט את־מצות המלך אשר כתבה בספר לאמר שלח האיש הזה למדבר וימות שם
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