look I learnt how to read hebrew in school. So I don't need a children's song. I can read chunks of a siddur/prayer book fast, i'm familiar with davening/jewish prayer.
and I understand what you are saying about kubutz and shuruk being the same sound. I've read that too. And I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
My example of "put" and "food" is perfect.. as it gives you links to hear exactly the difference.
Your childrens song doesn't answer the question I asked..
Of when you think it is like "put", and when you think it is like "food"?
(Or maybe you think it's like "put" and not like "food". Or maybe you think it's like "food" and not like "put")?
It might be tough for you to say because you might not be familiar with two sounds that are so similar.
I asked you.
Is it that a kubutz/shuruk in a closed syllable would be like "put"
And a kubutz/shuruk in an open syllable would be like "food"
(now that you know the different sound of "put" and "food").
And you don't have to listen to a noisy 4min childrens song to see the pronunciation of "put" and "food", it's literally a one second thing to listen to for "put" and for "food".
I do have a book somewhere that says that kubutz and shuruk are the same vocally.. just that shuruk is used when there's a vav, and kubutz when there is no vav. It also said that sometimes it's the oo like in food, and sometimes u like in put. depending on whether the syllable is open or closed, and whether there's stress on the syllable.
I think it effectively maybe said that if the syllable is closed an unstressed then it's like "put".
if it's an open syllable (then maybe whether stressed or not), it's like the oo in "food".
Also as for the questions I asked you here, I think maybe the answer to each of these A,B,C is YES, right?
A)A Cholam can be either with a vav or without a vav?
B)Is a Shuruk only ever with a vav?
C)Is a kubutz only ever without a vav?
You talk about small vowels and big vowels.. Maybe you mean short and long. I'm not using such language as it's possibly ambiguous. I'm not talking about a difference in length of sound! You can say "food" quickly or you can say "put" quickly!