Isaiah 51:9
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Job 26:13 two possible verbs
26:13בְּ֭רוּחוֹ שָׁמַ֣יִם שִׁפְרָ֑ה חֹֽלֲלָ֥ה יָ֝ד֗וֹ נָחָ֥שׁ בָּרִֽיחַ׃
Is the verb חללה the polel of the verb חול or the piel of חלל? I have seen it explained both ways. Does it say God formed a serpent by His hand or pierced it?
Is the verb חללה the polel of the verb חול or the piel of חלל? I have seen it explained both ways. Does it say God formed a serpent by His hand or pierced it?
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Isaiah 51:9
51:9עוּרִ֨י עוּרִ֤י לִבְשִׁי־עֹז֙ זְר֣וֹעַ יְהוָ֔ה ע֚וּרִי כִּ֣ימֵי קֶ֔דֶם דֹּר֖וֹת עוֹלָמִ֑ים הֲל֥וֹא אַתְּ־הִ֛יא הַמַּחְצֶ֥בֶת רַ֖הַב מְחוֹלֶ֥לֶת תַּנִּֽין׃
Is the verb מְחוֹלֶ֥לֶת the piel form of חלל or the poel form? I saw it described both ways on the internet. Is there a difference anyway?
Is the verb מְחוֹלֶ֥לֶת the piel form of חלל or the poel form? I saw it described both ways on the internet. Is there a difference anyway?
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Re: Isaiah 51:9
Isn't this essentially the same question that you asked on the other thread? Can we not consolidate and put them together? If you get the answer to one, you will have the answer to the other.
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Re: Isaiah 51:9
Jason,
I wasn't sure if I put these two questions in the right section of the forum and also I wasn't sure if they should be together or not. Do whatever you think is best. Or do you want me to combine them somehow?
I wasn't sure if I put these two questions in the right section of the forum and also I wasn't sure if they should be together or not. Do whatever you think is best. Or do you want me to combine them somehow?
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Re: Isaiah 51:9
I'll combine them. I'm outside right now on my phone. If no one has answered when I get home, I'll venture an opinion.
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Re: Isaiah 51:9
Holladay says polel.
Davidson says poʿel.
Gesenius says poʿel.
Weingreen says polel.
I'd argue that polel is a specific type of poʿel, in that it is poʿel for geminate roots in which ע = ל.
The same, of course, with סובב.
Davidson says poʿel.
Gesenius says poʿel.
Weingreen says polel.
I'd argue that polel is a specific type of poʿel, in that it is poʿel for geminate roots in which ע = ל.
The same, of course, with סובב.
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Re: Job 26:13 two possible verbs
Why not a simple Qal Qatal of the verb חלל to pierce? יד takes a feminine verb.Kenneth Greifer wrote:26:13בְּ֭רוּחוֹ שָׁמַ֣יִם שִׁפְרָ֑ה חֹֽלֲלָ֥ה יָ֝ד֗וֹ נָחָ֥שׁ בָּרִֽיחַ׃
Is the verb חללה the polel of the verb חול or the piel of חלל? I have seen it explained both ways. Does it say God formed a serpent by His hand or pierced it?
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Re: Job 26:13 two possible verbs
Ḥolalah cannot be Qal.kwrandolph wrote:Why not a simple Qal Qatal of the verb חלל to pierce? יד takes a feminine verb.Kenneth Greifer wrote:26:13בְּ֭רוּחוֹ שָׁמַ֣יִם שִׁפְרָ֑ה חֹֽלֲלָ֥ה יָ֝ד֗וֹ נָחָ֥שׁ בָּרִֽיחַ׃
Is the verb חללה the polel of the verb חול or the piel of חלל? I have seen it explained both ways. Does it say God formed a serpent by His hand or pierced it?
Karl W. Randolph.
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Re: Isaiah 51:9
He said Qal Qatal. That it cannot be.ducky wrote:Hi Jason,
Actually it can, as a participle.
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